# Leaving High Sec is a SCAM. Stay High (sec) new brothers! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 21, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388 "2023-12-21T17:16:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/1 "2023-12-21T17:16:20Z")
Title says it all. You read guides how to make that BIG ISK and you hear all kinds of glamour stories and wild numbers. Forum posters heckling you to be a real man and get there to get the BIG ISK ! ITS A SCAM ! You will never make it. All systems are full of alts and bots and scouts telling on comm’s where you move, YOU the new guy are the content for the game, but ONLY if youre the greedy fool who ventures to the wolf lair! Be smart and prosper! It is true that in theory you CAN make some big ISK out of HS, but at what cost? Why would you play in constant danger and pressure from a team of PvP hungry peoples who’s only intention is to find easy fights so they can brag about them Ph4t Kill mails? Do you really think you can beat 10 years old veteran on he’s turf? You cant. There is no good fights there is no solo, there is only the rabbit being chased (YOU). This “Come to low sec for big ISK, man up” is just a ruse and a scam to get the most valuable content of EvE , salty tears and phat killmails, do you really want to be the laughing stock of the game? Stay in High Sec and play the chill PVE game EVE can be ! The ISK is not that big, but you will not loose any ship or be the clown who got killed in the expensive ship, just a free warning i hope we get to keep these new players that join in on Christmas holidays ! So to conclude–\> Avoid anything than High Sec or you will be the clown. Stay in High Sec and prosper in chill peace and let the gankers sit in boredom in their empty gates :). Thats all, fly safe new space brother! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/2 "2023-12-21T17:39:01Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > It is true that in theory you CAN make some big ISK out of HS, but at what cost? called risk vs reward ! you can get was more isk but you need to risk more ! easy … not a scam ! > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Why would you play in constant danger and pressure from a team of PvP hungry peoples who’s only intention is to find easy fights so they can brag about them Ph4t Kill mails? you play this game … whats your intention to play eve online ? btw … HS isnt a safe place xD just to warn you before you got killed 😉 > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Do you really think you can beat 10 years old veteran on he’s turf? You cant. yes you can ! why should it not be possible ? > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > There is no good fights there is no solo, there is only the rabbit being chased (YOU). there are good fights ! they are not fair but eve isnt fair ! there are many of solo pvp ! hard to find a target as real solo but not impossible ! if you choose to be the rabbit then youre absolutly right 😉 > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > This “Come to low sec for big ISK, man up” is just a ruse and a scam to get the most valuable content of EvE , salty tears and phat killmails, do you really want to be the laughing stock of the game? you think the big isk in other spaces are scam → you are a laughing stock of this game ! btw … if its scam then tell me this → how could all the player living in low sec, nullsec and wh space survive and have all the big isk ? > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Stay in High Sec and play the chill PVE game EVE can be ! The ISK is not that big, but you will not loose any ship or be the clown who got killed in the expensive ship, just a free warning i hope we get to keep these new players that join in on Christmas holidays ! oh deer youre so wrong xD [Advanced Search | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22week%22,%22label-ganked%22,%22sort-date%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22victimsonly%22%5D%7D) HS doesnt mean youre safe and dont get killed ! but youre right … if youre completly risk averse then stay in HS ! you got bored to hell after a time and then come back to this forum and cry about something … > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > So to conclude–\> Avoid anything than High Sec or you will be the clown. Stay in High Sec and prosper in chill peace and let the gankers sit in boredom in their empty gates :). you are sitting in HS and you ARE the clown right now … leave HS and be succesful ( dont tell you how 😉 ) and you can see youre totaly wrong in your whole thread ! ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/3 "2023-12-21T18:29:17Z")
Why so much hostility ? Are you angry about something? EDIT: Ahh here is the reason you got so defensive, it seems you have killed 12 350 player ships. Im beginning to suspect your a gate ganker and play in cowardly gangs 97% of your time. Why do you lecture me about tales of solo PvP when all you do is blob? LOL You seem unhappy about my good and wise tip to the new players heheh, and for a good reason hehe. What we got here is one of those gankers i was warning the new guys about , storming in the post all guns blazing 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/4 "2023-12-21T18:34:07Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Why so much hostility ? why do you start with so moch hostility ? are you angry about your disability to live outside of HS ? > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Are you angry about something? why should i be angry ? only because of another sensless spam thread in this forum from a dude who never has done anything useful in this game and only can write with a forum troll ? ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/5 "2023-12-21T18:41:02Z")
There there, no need to get this vocal about a video game. Just offering tips to new bro’s, whats youre beef ? Its time of cristmas and merry jolly times, please cheer up big guy! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/6 "2023-12-21T18:48:03Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > There there, no need to get this vocal about a video game. Just offering tips to new bro’s, whats youre beef ? there are not tips to newbros ! only rant about stuff you are not able to handle ! btw … still the word “Scam” is wrong ! youre not being scammed youre being killed ! and its not a scam if ppl say that some regions are way better for generating ISK then HS ! its simply the truth ! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/4/f/54f6c91a0cd646ee6cf8e947341f1aa340df4522.png) if you would offer tips to newbros then write down real stuff what they need to “fear” out of HS ! ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/7 "2023-12-21T18:52:10Z")
No thanks i just write this guide to protect the Christmas players. Care to comment me those solo PvP moments mr 97% gang kills …not too many solo kills apart from miners and trashcans. Tell me a tale of youre most glorious solo kill :D. Gang noob. ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/8 "2023-12-21T18:55:01Z")
"I saw this threatening MTU in the mission hub, i DSCANNED --\>no one there . I undocked my Machriel and went in …target on sites a dangerous MTU (a space trashcan). I heated up my prop and guns and went in pew -pew pew. My heart was racing and i got the zkillmail, yep son that trash can will trouble us no more" HAHAHAHA And heres the proof, indeed a trash can was killed that day ! > **[Mobile Tractor Unit | Second Zod | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/110146677/)** > > Second Zod (13th Squadron) lost their Mobile Tractor Unit in G96R-F (Vale of the Silent). Final Blow by Vuhdo Rin (Deutsche Kapselpilotenschule) flying in a Nergal. Total Value: 19,235,873.18 ISK HAHAHA what a bottom feeder. Nice solo kill cowboy! ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/9 "2023-12-21T19:01:18Z")
Sorry about my last post. I looked the kill more closely and it seems you had to bring 5 guys to kill this MTU, my bad. But i know that an fearless ace like you could take a MTU on (unguarded) any day of the week, you just felt safer with friends xD. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/10 "2023-12-21T19:05:22Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > No thanks i just write this guide sorry this is not a guide ! its rant … if you want to help newbros i have an idea : you could write what you did ! you could write what happen to you exactly ! you could write that newbros need to because leaving HS includes legal attacks against you ! you could write how you still can survive out of HS ! as a player from 2017 we can expect that you know something like this ! > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Care to comment me those solo PvP moments mr 97% gang kills …not too many solo kills apart from miners and trashcans. Tell me a tale of youre most glorious solo kill :D. Gang noob. so you think that everbody need to fight solo ? why ? i decide not to be solo ! i always flying with minimum 1 alt because i know eve isnt fair ! so i´m not fair ! if you want a fair game then look for another game then eve online > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Tell me a tale of youre most glorious solo kill [Related Kills | Nardiarang | 2022-11-29 17:00 | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/related/30005207/202211291700/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%221000134%22%2C%2298686117%22%5D%7D/) as i killed this procurer with a svipul the gnosis lands right next to me … and i still managed to kill both with a svipul ! its the last one i didnt want to look that much back in my history ! but i´m sure i would found nice solo kills ! now tell me about your pvp experiance 😉 forum trolls dont have any i heared > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > "I saw this threatening MTU in the mission hub, i DSCANNED --\>no one there . I undocked my Machriel and went in …target on sites a dangerous MTU (a space trashcan). > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > [Mobile Tractor Unit | Second Zod | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/110146677/) 1st … its in nullsec and not a mission hub ! 2nd… i was not alone ! 3rd … i was not sitting in a machariel less ranting more real informations forum troll ! > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > But i know that an fearless ace like you could take a MTU on (unguarded) any day of the week, you just felt safer with friends xD. i dont kill MTU´s if i´m alone ! not per default … if this MTU is sitting next to a target then maybe yes because it could eat the loot i will get ! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/13 "2023-12-21T19:15:11Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Did you or did you NOT click a like to youre post with youre forum alt? could be shock you but i dont have any forum alt xD i write with my main and only with my main ! > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > I mean there is nothing wrong with liking your own posts if you really do like them, its not pathetic at all. LOL It just seems Amon\_Tobin likes a lot of youre posts, maybe he is a secret fan ! he is not the one with the most likes to my posts ! and btw … i dont care about likes ! i dont give some likes by myself so i dont expect somebody else to like my posts ! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/1/3/21377a82050fb9d2f1cb54890d54c099175b7e41.png) > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Dont get defensive about being bad solo PvP er and flying 97% in gangs. Solo PvP is much much harder and only the real pro’s can do it, just kill anough MTU’s solo and work your way up. so you mean its nothing for you and my 393 solo kills are far mor then your killboard would shown ? btw … there is a good reason not to be solo in eve online xD > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > so you think that everbody need to fight solo ? why ? i decide not to be solo ! i always flying with minimum 1 alt because i know eve isnt fair ! so i´m not fair ! if you want a fair game then look for another game then eve online > [@Done25](#): > > Eats popcorn while waiting for Akio to arrive. that he can close the next thread ? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/15 "2023-12-21T19:31:20Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > > [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > > > Tell me a tale of youre most glorious solo kill > > [Related Kills | Nardiarang | 2022-11-29 17:00 | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/related/30005207/202211291700/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%221000134%22%2C%2298686117%22%5D%7D/) > as i killed this procurer with a svipul the gnosis lands right next to me … and i still managed to kill both with a svipul ! > > its the last one i didnt want to look that much back in my history ! but i´m sure i would found nice solo kills ! i take a little research and i found this solo kill … nothing special but still my favorite ! [Sabre | Athlau | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/56193846/) ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/16 "2023-12-21T19:32:07Z")
Here is a good guide to new pilots looking to make a fortune in the safety of HS, where the chill and good mannered peoples roam, the serene peace among the stars, come join us in High Sec brother , here you are welcome and can be youre own boss! > **[EVE ISK Farming Guide for Beginners - Odealo](https://odealo.com/articles/eve-isk-farming-guide-for-beginners-odealo)** > > Learn how to earn your first 1 Billion ISK in the EVE Online's Universe. This guide described different ways to make EVE ISK including Mining, Salvaging, Planetary Interaction, Ratting, Wormholes, Missions, Planetary Interaction and more Stay safe, stay high! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/18 "2023-12-21T19:36:15Z")
i actualy postet now a second one ! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/21 "2023-12-21T19:42:07Z")
would be against the rules ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/4/d/64d1274abb98dcb0cea170cedb5637a433f49300.png) ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/23 "2023-12-21T19:44:53Z")
still against the rules ---
**Author:** ![Redden\_Molag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redden_molag/32/400037_2.png) [@Redden\_Molag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redden_Molag)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/24 "2023-12-21T19:45:31Z")
Ok ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Eysk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eysk/32/449720_2.png) [@Eysk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eysk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/25 "2023-12-21T22:29:19Z")
OP is misinformation and apparently being called out on that upset him so much, that a whole slew of comments by the original poster here got flagged… actual new players should get their info from a better source. yes, null and losec are relatively more dangerous, and hisec is relatively safer. but even in hisec you may get ganked, and there is no guarantee you won’t lose a ship. take it as a given that you will. always be prepared to replace the ship before you undock. that’s the nature of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/26 "2023-12-21T22:58:53Z")
> [@Redden\_Molag](#): > > Avoid anything than High Sec or you will be the clown. Well, there are numerous clowns in Highsec, too… Didn’t read all the thread, but this generalization is just wrong. What we tell any new player all the time: Try everything you like to try, don’t mourn about lost ships, try social interaction (talk to other players), and most important: Have fun! It’s just a game. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388/27 "2023-12-22T02:57:16Z")
moved to [General Discussion - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/communications/general/83) as this isn’t New Player Q&A. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/leaving-high-sec-is-a-scam-stay-high-sec-new-brothers/433388.md?page=2)