# Left because of wardec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584 "2018-03-07T09:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/221 "2018-03-18T15:39:57Z")
Hey listen, Drac is free to leave the game if he doesn’t like it. But no he chooses to play Eve and spread his negativity. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/222 "2018-03-18T15:41:29Z")
so far you’ve been 1000% more negative than him you sound like Thomas and his anti-CODE. views… _If we don’t agree with you we’re the baddies_ lul ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/223 "2018-03-18T15:45:09Z")
Well my posts are aimed at people realising they are more powerful then they know, I promote working with others and expanding ones knowledge of the game. this is not negative. Feel free to think it is negative all that will do is make you a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/224 "2018-03-18T15:47:10Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > all that will do is make you a troll so since I don’t agree with you I’m a troll? k lol ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/225 "2018-03-18T15:49:04Z")
Facts are facts, you assumed I did not know Drac and you turned out to be wrong so all that you can really do now is troll me to save face. Nice squirming btw. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/226 "2018-03-18T15:50:17Z")
you seem to mistake facts for opinions tho… quite often too ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/227 "2018-03-18T15:51:27Z")
I’m not really sure what you’re going on about buddy, come to me with a coherent conversation and we can talk. ---
**Author:** ![Saeger1737](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saeger1737/32/459629_2.png) [@Saeger1737](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saeger1737)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/228 "2018-03-18T16:04:50Z")
If your leaving can I have all your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/229 "2018-03-18T16:09:12Z")
Let’s talk then… > [@Aaron](#): > > People do know how to organise They can’t, not in HS… Just look at ag… nonstop daily failure 😘 > [@Aaron](#): > > Take the example of a Neut RR helping a war decker in a pvp engagement… Why does it seem like no ones even bothered to even counter this? all it takes is a super fast ship to approach and he will just fly off, if youre good you can pin him down and get a warp in. yeah nah people using RR aren’t complete idiots like 99% of the population kek if one of them gets tackled or whatever they all stay 😃 > [@Aaron](#): > > Really try to steer yourself away from people who constantly moan about Eve, you’ll just end up as negative as they are and find yourself repeating their negative rubbish to anyone who will listen. literal gold, you should send that to Thomas 😃 > [@Aaron](#): > > The blanket war deccers are not invulnerable this is a fact, you just need to know how to fight them. They’re not invulnerable no, but 99% of the HS population is clueless… and/or don’t give a flying fish about it. > [@Aaron](#): > > Nothing can really be adjusted to make people want to fight blanket war deccers don’t blingy killmails turn you on? lmao > [@Aaron](#): > > Too many of you are conned into a sense that you must be in a player corp to play the game you don’t seem to realize that everything is better from a corp pov you have substancial advantages over npc corps > [@Aaron](#): > > all im saying is dont blame Eve or it’s mechanics when it is actually you who refuses to adapt your game play. nice opinion, but you don’t know the efforts required to keep our old playstyle alive. our old playstyle being active wt hunting. > [@Aaron](#): > > then have another character in an NPC corp grinding missions with your buddies with no bother? yeah nah you might think missions are fun, but any grinding (regardless of the game) is terribad lol > [@Aaron](#): > > I bet if us antigankers were playing battlefield 4 you would think it’s wrong to shoot people. FTFY to fit reality ---
**Author:** ![Saeger1737](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saeger1737/32/459629_2.png) [@Saeger1737](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saeger1737)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/230 "2018-03-18T18:25:51Z")
You sound so experienced being cloaked up in stain… Can’t even fit a dominix properly > **[Dominix | Aaron | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/64810618/)** > > Aaron (Eternal Frontier) lost their Dominix in F9SX-1 (Stain). Final Blow by Vladi Lennelluc (Q.U.A.S.A.R) flying in a Hecate. Total Value: 230,973,380.89 ISK I mean there are 3 rig slots not just one ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/231 "2018-03-18T18:26:21Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > … and then make sure everyone you are associated with has a negative view of you. You did that to yourself, sadly… ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/232 "2018-03-19T00:17:58Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > you don’t seem to realize that everything is better from a corp pov > > you have substancial advantages over npc corps > > Aaron: Well duuuhh, of course everything is better from a corp point of view, of course there are substantial advantages. There are also substantial disadvantages that can keep some people docked up. Also it is not like all I am promoting is staying safe in an NPC corp, I also promoted using another of the 3 character slots to create an alt that can do missions or other activities and using the income generated to finance some frigate and cruiser pvp on another alt in a pvp corp. I’m surprised people haven’t created an alt corp where all the players who are tired of blanket wardecs can join and use cheap destroyers to clear a blanket wardec gatecamp for example, or they could be directed to log off in a frequently gate camped system and attempt a log on trap. I guess my only point here is that I am very tired of the same old same old. Why is Drac still here moaning about mechanics being changed? Why isn’t drac the CEO of a cool high sec corp that helps newbros understand the game better? If Drac was more accepting of the mechanics and had a more positive and encouraging attitude toward the game he would make a good hisec corp leader. If he was to change I’d seriously consider joining a corp of his and help to change hi sec, however, I know if I come back in another 5 years Drac will still be here on the forum talking negative about mechanics. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > They’re not invulnerable no, but 99% of the HS population is clueless… and/or don’t give a flying fish about it. Then try to work with a cool team of people and attempt to change peoples view so that they are bothered. Try to make it exciting and try to inspire hope just like you see in the scifi films. You’ve got to start appreciating that Eve online is how we spend our leisure time and it should in no way be seen as negative. All of us should make an effort to try and curb our negativity and make it constructive. If you feel a mechanic doesn’t work so well perhaps mention it and then move on to an alternative as nothing is perfect and imperfection can sometimes be a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/233 "2018-03-19T00:29:50Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Then try to work with a cool team of people and attempt to change peoples view so that they are bothered. I can’t help anyone if they don’t want to help themselves first. and I won’t help anyone who can’t help themselves. I have better stuff to waste my time on. > [@Aaron](#): > > You’ve got to start appreciating that Eve online is how we spend our leisure time and it should in no way be seen as negative. go tell that in every whine thread on these forums lol I already play EVE for fun Also I know where you and Drac come from, shame you’ve been holding that grudge for so long… lol ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/234 "2018-03-19T00:47:28Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I can’t help anyone if they don’t want to help themselves first. > > and I won’t help anyone who can’t help themselves. > > I have better stuff to waste my time on. It seems what I type goes over your head. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > go tell that in every whine thread on these forums lol > > I already play EVE for fun So you play Eve for fun but promote negativity on the forum? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Also I know where you and Drac come from, shame you’ve been holding that grudge for so long… lol You’re not here for serious discussion, you obviously didn’t read when I said I would seriously consider working for Drac if he was more positive and encouraging. Telling someone my honest opinion does not mean I am holding a grudge. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/235 "2018-03-19T06:56:36Z")
I would have no problem paying extra money I will pay another $15 a month just not the deal with War because it’s not something I enjoy I come in here to do mining and I want to get a structure but I’m not going to get a structure until CCP decide to change their policies when it comes to war because I’m not going to get my s\*\*\* blown up because some asshat decides it was a good idea to come along and do it because we’re under a war I want to be able to start an engineering complex and just do that. Not to deal with all the other stupidness of War ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/236 "2018-03-19T07:07:08Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > some asshat decides it was a good idea to come along and do it because we’re under a war Can you see that taking an economic advantage by paying $15 extra a month to avoid war, could be seen as just a different form of asshat, and a direct pay-to-win form that doesn’t exist in the game? Alternatively, whether you mine, run missions, explore, enjoy industry, sell on the market, or shoot things, none of it makes anyone an asshat. It’s what the game both allows and encourages. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/237 "2018-03-19T07:32:12Z")
First and foremost unless I’m misunderstanding POS you used to be able to not being a corporation and set them out as long as they were fueled up you could use them just like you would have Citadel it comes down to if I did need a corporation to have my own structure I wouldn’t but CCP is got greedy so now you have to have a corporation to have anything like a Refinery or somewhere I can do blueprints to make my amp ships I want to make my own freaking ships I have ways to go before I can do that I just got done training reprocessing the point of the matter is though I would love to have my own structure without dealing with a corporation headache or the War deck mechanic I would like to remove the War deck mechanic headache by paying extra that’s not a crime last time I checked but just like getting banana peppers on your sub you pay extra to get an extra topping because it makes it taste better it would make it better for me not to deal with the War deck mechanic so I could build and do my thing now I’ve said here and wrote a paragraph and a half I’m going to get off my soapbox and go back to mining ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/238 "2018-03-19T08:22:10Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > First and foremost unless I’m misunderstanding POS you used to be able to not being a corporation and set them out as long as they were fueled Nope. POS always required a corporation too. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/239 "2018-03-19T08:23:19Z")
Okay Rodger that I guess I’m just rude and I’m going to have to deal with the new system whether I like it or not I still like the idea of my small structure idea better laughing ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/240 "2018-03-19T08:28:03Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > Okay Rodger that I guess I’m just rude Nah, you’re not rude. You have a view and that view is perfectly fine. Many people share it - that the wardec mechanic should be removed. The flip side of that though, is that you mining, selling, building, etc. has a direct economic impact on others in the game. Even if a small one, it still has one. In an NPC Corp, you’d pay additional taxes to not be wardeccable, but if you want to reduce the taxes you pay, be able to charge other members taxes, own structures, etc. then the advantages that those things provide are balanced by mechanics that allow your Corp assets to be attacked. But you aren’t rude. All opinions count - just CCP’s counts the most. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584.md?page=13)