# Left because of wardec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584 "2018-03-07T09:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Crimson\_Avalanch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crimson_avalanch/32/118661_2.png) [@Crimson\_Avalanch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crimson_Avalanch)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1032 "2019-02-03T08:38:27Z")
Use NPC structures. Problem solved. Seriously though, there doesn’t need to be forced wars at all. Want to force others to let you shoot them in high sec? Faction warfare. But no, griefer and ganker tears led to allowing it to happen to everyone. But now there’s a way to avoid it. Which in the long run, it’s probably good stations can get destroyed. Because they’re already crowding space ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1033 "2019-02-03T11:30:39Z")
I am actually waiting to the point in time when there are almost no Upwell structures left in hisec apart from those owned by nullsec alliances, or hopefully a number of very well organised hisec entities that can defend their stuff against all comers… Still, I would like Upwell structures to have better defences and more importantly make them a lot harder to find, for a start when you anchor it in hisec make it hidden from view and require probing. Also some sort of stealth mode, or specific Upwell structures for hisec entities. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1034 "2019-02-03T13:02:26Z")
If you have something that shows I’m wrong then please enlighten us. So far nada, zip, zero from any of you. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1035 "2019-02-03T18:33:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1036 "2019-02-03T18:40:59Z")
Start here: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/sections/201141682-Crimewatch](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/sections/201141682-Crimewatch) [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security\_status](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security_status) ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1037 "2019-02-03T18:50:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1038 "2019-02-03T19:04:44Z")
Capsule kill? From all my reading even that should not get you concorded. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1039 "2019-02-03T19:07:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1040 "2019-02-03T19:10:44Z")
I think we’d need more details to figure out what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1041 "2019-02-03T19:17:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1042 "2019-02-03T19:23:34Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > The capsuleer I atttacked WAS an outlaw, flashing orange I’m not sure at this moment what “flashing orange” means with default overview settings, but looks like he wasn’t a legal target for you for some reason. Have you checked his sec status to see whether he was really an outlaw (i.e. -5.0 sec status or lower)? Are you sure you shot him and not accidentally something else while you had your safety setting disabled (red)? Note that something like this would never happen if you leave your safety enabled (green) or only partially disabled (yellow)… ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1043 "2019-02-03T19:31:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1044 "2019-02-03T19:44:40Z")
Negative, but not below -5? That state I don’t show because, IMHO, it’s meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1045 "2019-02-03T19:53:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1046 "2019-02-03T20:05:56Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > What I don’t understand is how a capsuleer with an Outlaw orange flashy icon was able to sit there right next to CONCORD. Low sec status pilots like outlaws are the job of the faction police; who are beatable. Concord only deal with criminals after a crime has been committed, they don’t care once the timer is up. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1047 "2019-02-03T23:40:23Z")
It is possible to setup the overview in such a way that a non-legal target is flashing. Jargon wise, anything you want to ask about I’m sure you can post here or if you prefer send me an eve mail and I’ll do my best. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1048 "2019-02-04T04:46:24Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I don’t have the default Overview setting. I spent at least an hour setting it up That could explain it then. Reviewing your overview settings to see which states you’ve set to display the way you saw him should allow you to figure what happened… > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I checked his Info page and his sec status read ‘negative’ so I trusted the yellow flashy as being the case. I’m starting to have the feeling you made the mistake of making pilots with negative sec status (or some other state that doesn’t imply the pilot is a legal target) appear that way… And I’ll say this again. Even if you have your overview settings wrong, you will never be CONCORDed if you leave your safety setting green or yellow instead of red. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I just wrote ‘negative’ because I don’t remember the sec status Well, you could still have checked his sec status after the fact. It may have changed since then, of course, but might give you an idea… > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > Now the fact that CONCORD hadn’t shot at him while he was RIGHT next to them might’ve given me a clue as whether to attack him or not. CONCORD doesn’t go after pilots with negative sec status. That’s the job of NPC faction police which, unlike CONCORD, can be avoided. ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1049 "2019-02-04T05:12:52Z")
I think you misunderstand what is happening here. Highsec war deccers aren’t going to eradicate upwell structures in highsec or, honestly, even continue war decking. They will for a while, but they’re going to hang it up in the next 90 days. Structure bashing is worse than mining… what won’t pull their fleets. They’re going to quit. Just like can flippers did when their drivers went away, just like little wardec corps did when prices got too high, just like hunters did when the watchlist died, and now the merc is going too. It’s just not going to be worth the effort anymore. I’m sure there will be a structure bashing Corp or two, but they’ll be as rare as can flippers are today. Nope, PvP in highsec just dropped to its last digit: gankers. I figure we are 1 nerf away from the safe highsec of your dreams. But will it still be Eve? What’s hardcore about it? How long can you mine and mission before you realize it’s effortless grinding? I’ll still stop by and visit now and then… F2P and all… ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1050 "2019-02-04T05:49:51Z")
> [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](#): > > They’re going to quit. Given their main targets are null groups, won’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584/1051 "2019-02-04T06:40:44Z")
> [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](#): > > Highsec war deccers aren’t going to eradicate upwell structures in highsec or, honestly, even continue war decking. Which is odd as I have an alt in an alliance which is doing just that. > [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](#): > > They will for a while, but they’re going to hang it up in the next 90 days. Structure bashing is worse than mining… what won’t pull their fleets. They’re going to quit. And they have been doing it a lot longer than 90 days and there are quite a few different entities doing it too. So you are wrong, totally wrong. > **[Spectrum Alliance | Alliance](https://zkillboard.com/alliance/575461427/)** > > Spectrum Alliance: 168 ships destroyed and 80 ships lost. > [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](#): > > But will it still be Eve? What’s hardcore about it? How long can you mine and mission before you realize it’s effortless grinding? Well it pays for the losses doing Spectre or Bombers bar fleets in nullsec in your example, or exploration runs in WH and nullsec via WH’s, or fun and games in lowsec, shall I continue? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584.md?page=50) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/left-because-of-wardec/61584.md?page=52)