# Legal Demand for CONCORD Investigation into Paragon's IRIS technology **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314 "2022-11-20T18:34:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/1 "2022-11-20T18:34:22Z")
I, Professor Valate, Greatest Sani Sabik Capsuleer Philosopher of the Modern Era, hereby state my intent to file legal proceedings at CONCORD’s Inner Tribunal legal facility, into whether or not Paragon has used stolen confidential technologies developed by the Church of the Crimson Saviour, in the construction and operation of their CEO IRIS. The publicly released information about Ms. IRIS, states that she is: “a cloud-based soft AI intelligence, embodied in a series of biomechanical presences” Now then, for over a decade, the Church of the Crimson Saviour, has operated several AI embodied in biomechanical presences, in a long-term theophilosophical experiment. One of them even posts regularly on the IGS, for fucks sake. Our developments are based on my own brilliant research into Takmahl archaeocybernetic technologies, along with a considerable research effort by several cyberneticists working under my direction, at the CTCS CyberTechnology Division, and latterly the Kaztropolis Cybernetics Institute. So you can see the issue here. As pioneers in the field of giving organic bodies to AI such that they can experience the Amarr religion, I have some questions as to how, exactly, the Paragon corporation, and their parent entity “Evermore”, came to develop their project. It’s just too similar to our own projects for comfort. Whether that be technologies stolen from the CTCS, or leaked by disgruntled personnel at CTCS or the KCI, I demand answers under interstellar intellectual property law. If Paragon has been found to have stolen technology from CTCS, I believe punitive damages of eight hundred trillion ISK would be in order. Sincerely, Dr V. Valate, Chief Executive Officer, Church of the Crimson Saviour. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/2 "2022-11-20T19:24:36Z")
I, a person who does not feel so insecure as to need to announce my self-appointed accolades, hereby state that you don’t need to announce your intentions, just freakin’ _do_ the thing already. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/3 "2022-11-20T20:19:28Z")
Oh of course, there you are. What would any of my threads be, if not an incomplete flawed masterpiece, without your snarky presence ? ---
**Author:** ![Ouilliam\_Antolliere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ouilliam_antolliere/32/343527_2.png) [@Ouilliam\_Antolliere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ouilliam_Antolliere)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/4 "2022-11-20T20:48:17Z")
I wouldn’t expect a timely response, let alone a straightforward one. There are legal teams employed by corporations of this size specifically to contend with these kinds of accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/5 "2022-11-20T22:07:47Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > What would any of my threads be, if not an incomplete flawed masterpiece, without your snarky presence ? I mean, you’re not _wrong_… ---
**Author:** ![Henrik\_Suzaku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/henrik_suzaku/32/358060_2.png) [@Henrik\_Suzaku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Henrik_Suzaku)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/6 "2022-11-20T22:15:59Z")
I remain suspicious of the cryptic technology behind IRIS. Perhaps your subpoenas may reveal more of the truth to the public. Good hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/7 "2022-11-21T04:36:57Z")
Leave it to CONCORD to steal IP. I hope you had your tech patented before IRIS came online. Or that, and you have a good team of lawyers. I wish I could be of help in your endeavor Valate-haani, but I fear my only skill in these kinds of proceedings involve busting out kneecaps. Still, I hope you win your case. ---
**Author:** ![Lucea\_Ajuuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucea_ajuuk/32/408494_2.png) [@Lucea\_Ajuuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucea_Ajuuk)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/8 "2022-11-21T06:32:36Z")
I’m sure you will find CONCORD unamenable to your petition. They’ve had a crazed fixation with regulating infomorphs and the tech used to create or sustain us for some time. Our kind are protected by laws written in the early ages of this technology, back when you had to actually be in a capsule for its consciousness transfer to work. The discovery of Sleeper implants changed everything. The warclone enclaves rose and fell, destroyed or driven out of Empire space by DED forces. Containing an infomorph, chaining it to physical form, is of utmost importance to a police organization that oversees us. As such, they would be more than happy to support the proliferation of that technology over its use as a theological tool. What you should be worried about is how **CONCORD can use this technology against us**. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/9 "2022-11-22T12:36:48Z")
Update: 1 cubic metre of data sheets has been transported to the Inner Tribunal station in Yulai to support my legal argument. DED ships threatened to fire on my vessel. Perhaps they are rattled by my assertiveness in this matter. Perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/10 "2022-11-22T14:45:35Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > DED ships threatened to fire on my vessel. Perhaps they are rattled by my assertiveness in this matter. Perhaps not. Seriously? Can you give some proof about this? Photos, videos, comms… ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/11 "2022-11-22T18:16:04Z")
From my ship logs, there were the following entries amongst others. > [19:55:58] System \> Channel changed to Local : Yulai > [19:56:03] ( notify ) Valerie Valate, you are an enemy to our nation. Leave immediately or be fired upon! Clear attempt at intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/12 "2022-11-22T18:32:07Z")
Hm, check your security status or your standings with the CONCORD. You may be considered as a criminal due to other previous infractions. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/13 "2022-11-22T20:31:42Z")
This is _undoubtedly_ the case, considering her organisation’s known links to Blood Raider controlled space and likelihood of history doing paid contract work for Blooder agents. I doubt she’s had anything resembling neutral standing with DED, let alone good, for years. But why let that get in the way of a narrative? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/14 "2022-11-22T20:45:24Z")
And her own personal run-ins w/@Oveg_Drust. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/15 "2022-11-23T08:44:35Z")
Hey, I was willing to negotiate, but he decided to be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/16 "2022-12-10T11:24:30Z")
UPDATE: Nothing new to report. A CONCORD functionary told me my complaint would be “handled appropriately”, whatever that means for issues of this nature. Also on the Inner Tribunal station in Yulai there is a faint odour everywhere that smells a bit like cheese. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/17 "2022-12-10T15:16:47Z")
Thanks for sharing? I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/18 "2023-01-30T12:10:16Z")
Update: the CONCORD functionaries continue to insist that things are proceeding "appropriately ", whatever that means. The faint smell of cheese continues. No one else seems able to detect it. Suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Masseri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/richard_masseri/32/499157_2.png) [@Richard\_Masseri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Richard_Masseri)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/19 "2023-03-11T14:16:39Z")
Khasri Valate, I will admit I know little of you as a pilot a fact I will endeavour to correct but I would agree that CONCORDS actions on relation to these subjects are very distasteful to say the least. The organisations hold over the cluster needs to be lessened if not removed and another entity with less authoritarian strictures take its place. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314/20 "2023-03-11T17:38:02Z")
In reality, your call for a CONCORD judicial review is as likely to occur as my desire for the CSM to perform a thorough audit of Garoun Investment bank and their partners in order to make the identity of this shadowy network of owners and influencers publicly known. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-demand-for-concord-investigation-into-paragons-iris-technology/385314.md?page=2)