# Legal/Ethical question regarding invasive 3rd party EVE platforms **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 26, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308 "2018-09-26T01:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/103 "2018-09-28T21:30:19Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > It’s not even wtf. What kind of games we play and the way we do, tells a lot about us. It’s not anywhere near or near as simple as the smear media tries to tell us, but there are deep connections between who we are in other spheres and who we are in games. The most basic thing is to look at what games you play and how long you stick to them. Chosing to play EVE Online, sticking with it or leaving it, is a prime example. There’s unfortunate limits in regards to how far I can go in shedding light on this, but I did want to clarify a point here. It isn’t the types or kinds of games that provide such a large subset of behavioural metrics & analytics, there’s two more prominant angles. First, games are an easy entry point for platforms and second behaviour inside the game dynamic is of even deeper interest as it provides a far easier approach to modelling of behaviour with mapped trigger points and stimuli. To make it clear, what we do inside games is of the highest interest for core behavioural modelling. To us, it shed painful light on changes in investment patterns in EU innovation markets over the past decade on the road to what became the recent issue of deep profiling for microtargeted influencing. Anyhow, this goes way over the limits of discussion here. Suffice to say that it hasn’t been a choice of in or out for a while now, it’s a debate of limits, usage and ownership. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/104 "2018-09-28T23:12:57Z")
> [@Esmeralda\_Brunsh](#): > > > Your personal, pleb, colloquial view has nothing to do with the law on these issues. > > You are not helping. I mean, I have doubts whether you’re acting in good faith, but just in case you are, I’ll ask you to please stop posting. He is helping. he’s trying to say don’t apply your Gamer views to think that 61.1 average age congress will agree with what you see as “common sense” ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/105 "2018-09-28T23:16:06Z")
> [@Zachri](#): > > To my surprise we were informed that shadow profiling methodology already bypassed what is known as the virtual identity treshold several years ago. In fact, it was found that throughout the gaming industry data profiling on virtual identities is a proverbial given, in service of various purposes of datamining where datapoints in many cases are (directly or indirectly) provisioned to profiling / sourcing data providers where the virtual is matched to the real. Underlying reasoning being the interest of behavioural profiling. Thank you for talking with evidence and reason unlike some people here who merely talk with their opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/107 "2018-09-29T00:09:13Z")
> [@Dirk\_Kajhone](#): > > You may say “But my game nickname is my real name!”. Well, that’s on you, has nothing to do with the legality or general usage of the gaming industry. I know way too many people whose steam name is their real name (FLastname I think is used by default by steam some times ago when you give steam your First name Last name) And since EVE runs through steam now as well… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/108 "2018-09-29T00:23:04Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > It tells me that you have insecurities about your sexuality because chances are you’re a man irl (most eve players are) and you chose a female character as your avatar. On top of that you’re hiding her eyes. Perhaps we should get a psychoanalyst to tell us what this says about your personality and past psychological trauma. Wow, you just found this all out by looking at my avatar picture? On the other hand your picture has “confident young alpha-male” written all over it. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/109 "2018-09-29T00:26:24Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Wow, you just found this all out by looking at my avatar picture? On the other hand your picture has “confident young alpha-male” written all over it. I also see you are a part of CODE, Which further tells me about your personality as an immature adult because CODE’s behavior in EVE is nothing short of childish. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/111 "2018-09-29T00:54:47Z")
> [@Zachri](#): > > Anyhow, this goes way over the limits of discussion here. Suffice to say that it hasn’t been a choice of in or out for a while now, it’s a debate of limits, usage and ownership. Yes. And for the sake of this discussion also about what it does to us and how to have at least some level of damage control. The 3rd party website in discussion here, has little to offer in terms of properly mapped trigger points. At best it’s a shabby collection of pieces of the cake, which stay necessarily in the realm of inconclusiveness. I remember about a year ago we had a discussion here as to wether EVE is a game or not. My point was, that it is a number of games within a kind of simulation. Not claiming it, but merely suggesting that it could all just be a great behavorial study of human behaviour, led to the thread being salvoshed. Now, I still don’t claim that EVE is indeed that, but I still think if it were, it would be one of the better places for it. The game itself would provide a far better environment for such analytics. Talking about Zkill only now and only in the context of a possible law being discussed, by lawmakers that as usual are very late and mostly might not even grasp the issue, seems odd. I’m curious though, what these unfortunate limits are that you’re speaking about. A little more light is always better. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/112 "2018-09-29T00:54:55Z")
Wow. I think it’s time to turn off the internet my man and go do somthing else ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/113 "2018-09-29T00:56:42Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > I see you like to kill mining barges for no reason. After seeing all your pathetic ganks I’m even more confident you have insecurities possibly caused by childhood abuse. Those who have been abused badly want to make themselves feel powerful, and you somehow think killing helpless miners gives you power over them. Did you ever hear of human decency? Look it up and then go get some. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/114 "2018-09-29T05:37:05Z")
I see you are projecting much. Also instead YOU sound insecure when you complain about “innocents” and “helpless victims” in a PvP game where one of the main activities is participating in one of the many forms of PvP. Do you drop a tantrum and become prejudicial when you or someone else is beat in chess? How about in poker where there are “stakes” of some sort (friendly worthless poker chips, cigars or actual real life cash or whatever)? This is a sandbox where scamming, stealing, ganking and many other “negative” things are legit gameplay, if this offends you then you don’t understand the game and project your own concepts on it and see a distorted fake image instead of what it is, perhaps take a break and try looking at things objectively for your own sake. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thomas_tur_bando/32/98767_2.png) [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thomas_Tur_Bando)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/115 "2018-09-29T07:38:39Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > This is a sandbox where scamming, stealing, ganking and many other “negative” things are legit gameplay Just because it’s part of the game doesn’t make it right ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/116 "2018-09-29T07:46:04Z")
It is right because it is a game, if you can’t differentiate between reality and fiction then you have serious issues to think about. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/117 "2018-09-29T07:57:50Z")
It’s right because the game designer’s made it this way. Maybe this game isn’t right for you? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/118 "2018-09-29T08:33:39Z")
Seriously, that would be the best decision for everyone. To leave aside “life” we live in Internet and start to live real life. ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/119 "2018-09-29T10:49:57Z")
Is it ethical that using 3rd party service provider like diffrint chatt server ? I belive it can give two issue. One is our data under someone else hand . Second it is give technical issues. So Is it ethical and safe for us as players ?? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/120 "2018-09-29T11:02:04Z")
> [@anas\_moraished](#): > > Is it ethical that using 3rd party service provider like diffrint chatt server ? Can you explain more about this? The new chat server uses XMPP, but is it also running as a service on a 3rd party platform? Because if it does, it’s indeed a possible problem. ---
**Author:** ![anas\_moraished](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anas_moraished/32/135612_2.png) [@anas\_moraished](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anas_moraished)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/121 "2018-09-29T11:06:09Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Can you explain more about this? The new chat server uses XMPP, but is it also running as a service on a 3rd party platform? Because if it does, it’s indeed a possible problem. Ok let me Ask this in here so we can have offical answer. CCP is it true that chatt server being maintained via 3rd party out of CCP servers ? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/122 "2018-09-29T17:15:17Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > After seeing all your pathetic ganks I’m even more confident you have insecurities possibly caused by childhood abuse. Those who have been abused badly want to make themselves feel powerful, and you somehow think killing helpless miners gives you power over them. This is very disturbing in multiple ways. 1. You think you can say something about someone’s past just because of a game killboard which is not only absurd, but also shows you have a serious issue separating the game from reality 2. You think I was abused as a child and you think it’s OK to weponize that and rub it into the persons face to win a stupid forum argument. WTF is wrong with you? If that was true don’t you think such a person would have suffered enough already without some internet tough guy making fun about it. Get some help man. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/123 "2018-09-29T18:12:55Z")
> [@Thomas\_Tur\_Bando](#): > > I see you like to kill mining barges for no reason. After seeing all your pathetic ganks I’m even more confident you have insecurities possibly caused by childhood abuse. Those who have been abused badly want to make themselves feel powerful, and you somehow think killing helpless miners gives you power over them. Wow. You’re not only an idiot but a dick as well. ---
**Author:** ![z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rella_zazzmataz/32/96427_2.png) [@z0rella\_Zazzmataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rella_Zazzmataz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308/124 "2018-09-29T18:37:21Z")
[community@ccpgames.com](mailto:community@ccpgames.com) all it needs. there ain’t a single valid excuse not doing it. every single time. if this ■■■■ doesn’t stop early, it’s gonna steamroll all over us. _snip_ Removed Image ~ISD Buldath_snip_ just so he can’t delete it and pretend it didn’t happen. @CCP_Falcon sorry for interrupting your saturday night. the longer CCP caters to these people, the worse it’s going to get. the more farmers CCP attracts, the more of these people we will be seeing here. the easier CCP makes the game and the lower the bar of entry, the more of these people YOU will have to be dealing with eventually. today, in some other thread, some guy called people like “me”, whatever it means, worse than pedophiles. another one called “us” psychopaths and the ISD do nothing. people “like me” get banned for calling people assholes yet these “people” get away scott free. is that right? i don’t think so. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/legal-ethical-question-regarding-invasive-3rd-party-eve-platforms/109308.md?page=7)