# Let’s talk about suspect flags for T4/5 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 21, 2019, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057 "2019-07-21T09:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/201 "2019-08-03T11:18:29Z")
Thanks, yes, right, the cargo restrictions. EDIT: But you could eject everything when still in Abyss. Your Orca alt warns you about the upcoming gank. So you only have your bare ship when entering kspace again. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/202 "2019-08-03T11:20:14Z")
maybe if you can open the orca fleet hold and the orca ship hold while remaining invul, then you can ctr A everything in your cargon, then approach orca, drag and drop in orca fleet hold, right click ship in orca bay and swap for it. But very likely, under 3s you are dead. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/203 "2019-08-03T11:20:59Z")
I think you have at least 30s of invul. But see above, eject before taking the last gate. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/204 "2019-08-03T11:21:37Z")
in that case may as well self destruct in abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/205 "2019-08-03T11:22:26Z")
Why? Your ship may cost B? The ship is what you want to secure, and gankers want to kill. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/206 "2019-08-03T11:23:23Z")
you can’t be sure it will remain safe. best would actually be to refit in abyss for buffer, I believe. edit : the orca can be bumped, can warp too far from you, sometimes lags, etc. Just don’t expect to survive a gank. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/207 "2019-08-03T11:24:10Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Thanks, yes, right, the cargo restrictions. > > EDIT: But you could eject everything when still in Abyss. Your Orca alt warns you about the upcoming gank. So you only have your bare ship when entering kspace again. …and you lose over a billion in fitting plus whatever loot you have. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/208 "2019-08-03T11:25:03Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > …and you lose over a billion in fitting plus whatever loot you have. Only the loot, you can’t or should eject fitting. You can’t store a ship in the Orca hangar with something else than charges in cargo hold. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/209 "2019-08-03T11:25:13Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > I think you have at least 30s of invul. But see above, eject before taking the last gate. You have thirty seconds of not being able to tether. Its not an invuln timer. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/210 "2019-08-03T11:25:31Z")
But they arent preflagged currently, are they? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/211 "2019-08-03T11:25:55Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > You have thirty seconds of not being able to tether. Its not an invuln timer. I think he means when exiting abyssal space. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But they arent preflagged currently, are they? Why are you even asking me this ? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/212 "2019-08-03T11:26:24Z")
It is, maybe even longer 1min … I know this. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/213 "2019-08-03T11:27:07Z")
Because everyone seems to be missing the point ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/214 "2019-08-03T11:35:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I think he means when exiting abyssal space. Know what he means. The only timer that comes up in no tether. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/215 "2019-08-03T11:55:29Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Because everyone seems to be missing the point I think you are the one missing the point being made. People tell you why they think F4 suspect is a bad idea. Whether or not the flag is present is irrelevant. The main point here is that defense fleet are irrelevant if F4 gives suspect. Now you have another question that is “is it more dangerous NOW in HS and NS”, to which I answered, as well as other persons. IMO, if you define risk as the easiness to gank you, then HS is definitely much more risky than null sec- although with no local it may be a bit different. Your next question is “assuming risk is higher in HS, should reward be reduced in NS” and nobody has an answer. Maybe because we consider the activity is the same in NS and HS , besides being ganked ? Or because making a distinction may be an artificial complexity and may result in additional issues ? Or maybe because people consider “it’s fine as it is” and only raging tomatoes absolutely want to ruin the game for their own personal inferiority complex ? I personally just don’t give a fck. As I said I think the reward is lower than other activities, with more risk and more investment, so… whatever bloats your goat. > [@Onictus](#): > > Know what he means. The only timer that comes up in no tether. I checked on twitch (eg [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/markeedragon/clip/GorgeousGeniusHippoSSSsss?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time) ) and indeed it seems you have no invul timer. Strange, I believed there was one on exit ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/216 "2019-08-03T11:57:18Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > People tell you why they think F4 suspect is a bad idea. Whether or not the flag is present is irrelevant. > The main point here is that defense fleet are irrelevant if F4 gives suspect. But it doesnt, so why is this important? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/217 "2019-08-03T11:58:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But it doesnt, so why is this important? Because it’s the topic of the thread ? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/218 "2019-08-03T11:58:26Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Your next question is “assuming risk is higher in HS, should reward be reduced in NS” and nobody has an answer. And exactly the point. It doesnt matter because it isnt inherently more or less risky until you count Null home advantage or applying flags in HS. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/219 "2019-08-03T13:19:26Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I checked on twitch (eg [https://www.twitch.tv/markeedragon/clip/GorgeousGeniusHippoSSSsss?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time](https://www.twitch.tv/markeedragon/clip/GorgeousGeniusHippoSSSsss?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time) ) and indeed it seems you have no invul timer. Strange, I believed there was one on exit You missed it. Here it is. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/c/8c31d32b0004a6d21f5e844a7829f52534ca4e82.png) He just moved very quickly after exiting. It first appears at about the 6s mark when he’s coming through the conduit, per usual location change mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/220 "2019-08-03T13:35:39Z")
Yeah go run a site, mouse over that timer and tell me what it says. That aint an invuln timer, its strictly no tether. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057.md?page=12)