# Let’s talk about suspect flags for T4/5 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 21, 2019, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057 "2019-07-21T09:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/101 "2019-07-30T23:26:15Z")
Well here’s my loot from one T5 dark using the sacrilege fit from Janus’s earlier reddit link. [https://evepraisal.com/a/n4poa](https://evepraisal.com/a/n4poa) -I am a numpty and forgot a mobile tractor so this is just the loot from whatever can was closest to the gate. -I’m sure I made a lot of mistakes on account of I don’t PvE at all -Maybe I just had an easy spawn sequence but it seems likely that so long as you know how to execute whatever strategy applies to a given spawn you should probably be okay -Basically perfect skills so I had that going for me -N=1, granted, obviously IDK, I’ll do a few more I guess but I kind of feel like the danger is being overstated ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/102 "2019-07-30T23:42:33Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I’m not saying gankers are just after the loot. But that there is value in the loot and it’s obviously worth saving. There is loot and it has a value. Now when it’s less than 10% of the total KM no, it’s not worth considering having an alt to save that value. Which was your whole argument to say that “there is no risk in high sec”. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Not in comparison to the argument it was made against. Yes, it’s complete waste of time. Just re read yourself and try not to laugh . > [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > IDK, I’ll do a few more I guess but I kind of feel like the danger is being overstated please don’t forget to give the total loot after 49 more, so that we have a correct loot table. Actually it would be better when you have at least 10 of each items. But since this skillbook drops on EACH run it should be very fast ? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/103 "2019-07-30T23:46:28Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > please don’t forget to give the total loot after 49 more, so that we have a correct loot table. Yeah there’s no way I’m doing 15+ hours of these things, PvE makes me want to go play outside and we all know how ■■■■ _that_ is. I’m more interested in the claims re: imminent doom and 5 billion isk ships being a necessity. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/104 "2019-07-30T23:47:14Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Well here’s my loot from one T5 dark using the sacrilege fit from Janus’s earlier reddit link. > > [Goodbye Evepraisal :: sudorandom.dev](https://evepraisal.com/a/n4poa) Heh doesn’t hurt that you hit the jackpot on your first try. Disintegrator books are extremely rare and are the money maker for abyss runners. Without that you’re looking at ~50-60mill minus filament cost and drugs cost. 50 back to back is a bit extreme, but curious on you 20 run average. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/105 "2019-07-30T23:48:23Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > 50 back to back is a bit extreme, but curious on you 20 run average. It’s even less here. > [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Yeah there’s no way I’m doing 15+ hours of these things, PvE makes me want to go play outside and we all know how ■■■■ _that_ is. indeed, because doing the same thing for an extended period of time is much harder than doing it once and then going outside. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/106 "2019-07-30T23:48:29Z")
Well, apparently one run with a 1bil isk sac gets you 450mil. If you’re that afraid of getting attacked on re-entry, whilst suspect or not, it wouldn’t exactly be dumb to have an alt ready to scoop. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/107 "2019-07-30T23:49:44Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > Heh doesn’t hurt that you hit the jackpot on your first try. Says the guy that doesn’t run them… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/108 "2019-07-30T23:50:42Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Well, apparently one run with a 1bil isk sac gets you 450mil. lol. There is a difference between what it _can_ do and what you should _expect_ . ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/109 "2019-07-30T23:50:44Z")
The loot tables don’t suddenly change to rain specialization books in T5. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/110 "2019-07-30T23:52:05Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > indeed, because doing the same thing for an extended period of time is much harder than doing it once and then going outside. TBH trying to bust my balls on the N=1 thing that I **already granted** is kind of insipid. Like it’s not even the deranged pedantry people _usually_ associate with you. I already ■■■■■■■ said it myself. What possible point do you imagine you’re raising by repeating the thing I already said? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/111 "2019-07-30T23:56:22Z")
Why do you think people are giving loots for 50 runs and not for 1 run ? The answer is : because it’s stupid to give the loot for one run. So when you give the loot for one run, this is stupid. Even if you agree with it : why do you give it in the first place ? What’s the point of bringing that one-run loot here ? And the same goes for the risk. You can do 50 runs without an issue, and then make a mistake on ONE run and lose your ship and pod. And no, the loot on those 50 runs won’t be as much as what you showed. sometimes you can do a lot of run, and get nothing of value. And you still have to pay the drugs, the filament - and your time. I know it, cause it happened. When people judge the difficulty on one run, it’s BS. just EXACTLY as when you talk about the drops, on one run. Call that “deranged pedantry” if you like. I call your post BS. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/112 "2019-07-30T23:57:01Z")
I believe it’s because the anecdotal evidence of one run that netted the best loot you can get not only skews you perception of the run value, but also the difficulty. There are hundreds of possible encounter setups, so as you said you may have seen an easy one. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/113 "2019-07-31T00:09:15Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > There are hundreds of possible encounter setups, so as you said you may have seen an easy one. Which I also granted. However, even going in entirely blind, it was not overwhelming. I’m sure there are iterations that are more difficult than others, but the room for improvement from the player side is probably extensive given my general inexperience with the things. I can certainly see how going linkdead would _pretty likely_ end in sadness, but that goes for a lot of things. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/114 "2019-07-31T00:18:10Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > However, even going in entirely blind, it was not overwhelming. I’m sure there are iterations that are more difficult than others, but the room for improvement from the player side is probably extensive given my general inexperience with the things. QED. Use a decent ship with a decent fit and be a decent pilot and even if you lack specific experience on that site you can do just fine if you put in some effort into figuring it all out before doing. Without requiring a silly bling ship or fit. > [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > I can certainly see how going linkdead would _pretty likely_ end in sadness, but that goes for a lot of things. I generally prefer a slightly more tanky fit even though it drops some dps. You’ll still have enough time to complete and allows for more mess ups or mishaps. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/115 "2019-07-31T00:21:48Z")
Also as an aside, I noticed I got a normal session change immunity timer on exit. Has anything changed with the mechanics around orca ship swapping in the last little while, or is it still only a weapon timer that prevents it? ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/116 "2019-07-31T00:26:21Z")
I’ve not used an orca in a while (not since the earliest wardec changes, really) afaik it’s weapons timer. Would be a good thing to test would these abyssals get their suspect thing again. Asking the question also shows the capability and intent to improve and find solutions for problems. Something which, again, is lacking in carebears who keep whining and moaning. -edit- The Orca isn’t really a solution against gankers. If people start using those the gankers will just bring a Mach and bump it off. The best solution is very simple: don’t be near a tradehub and don’t be in Caldari space. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/117 "2019-07-31T02:55:19Z")
OK I’m lost. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/118 "2019-07-31T02:58:25Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > The Orca isn’t really a solution against gankers. If people start using those the gankers will just bring a Mach and bump it off. > > The best solution is very simple: don’t be near a tradehub and don’t be in Caldari space. Eh, my thought was more like the orca is either off-grid aligned or on-grid/cloaked/half-aligned. “Oh, there are dicks here but I’m invincible for 60 seconds” warp orca to me, switcheroo If someone can bump it in that timeframe, hell, they earned it. But yes, I feel like I could probably run these all day on certain highsec islands and no amount of flagging would matter one bit. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/119 "2019-07-31T03:00:08Z")
Yeah that might work if you time it. Still, it’s just much easier to not be in an obvious location. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057/120 "2019-07-31T03:01:50Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > OK I’m lost. What happened? People not happy about their safeish high sec income being outed for being too good, frantically using tons of lies and terrible smoke and mirrors to try and cover it up. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/let-s-talk-about-suspect-flags-for-t4-5/177057.md?page=7)