# Let's go over the details on this 10 Milllion Isk Permit **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 8, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944 "2019-08-08T01:51:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/61 "2019-08-08T18:48:35Z")
Here is your proof: > **[Papers, Please](http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html)** > > Since the dawn of the Code, carebears have petitioned our Agents, wrongly believing that it's against the EULA to bump, gank, and sell permi... ---
**Author:** ![Duo\_Roman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duo_roman/32/379186_2.png) [@Duo\_Roman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duo_Roman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/62 "2019-08-08T19:05:33Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > The Texas Law of HiSec Fixed that for you buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/63 "2019-08-08T19:20:42Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Forced RP on other players is considered powergaming. Why would you say this in reply to me asking what did you mean when you talked about “the right to issue permits”? Who is forcing anyone to RP here? Why would it matter whether that’s considered powergaming or not and how is it relevant to anything being discussed? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Old thread topic ?a=topic&threadID=354296 > Talks about powergaming style of playing. What was this supposed to be? A link to some other thread? Can you not provide a proper link? Is that supposed to be relevant to whatever it is that you’re trying to say? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > This is exactly what I have tried to expose, your alliance wants other gamers to act like slaves to pay up fees that are not a normal part of playing the game. LOL. Asking miners to pay a 10 mill/year permit is wanting to turn them into slaves? Don’t you think you’re exaggerating a bit here? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > one method of powergaming is by having many accounts run by one person Again, what does this have to do with mining permits or with whatever it is that you’re trying to say? Some miner gankers are alpha and play with just 1 account, not even a separate account for a scout, whereas some miners multibox many accounts themselves too. I wouldn’t be suprised if multiboxing is more prevalent amongst miners than amongst gankers even… > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > By demanding such payment in isk is the same as if a person had many accounts to collect such isk via mining. Does this sentence above make _any_ sense to you? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > The only information I wanted to take away from this thread is the details of this 10 Million Isk Permit. > > To inform new pilots of New Eden that the permit is not high sec law and it is for them to decide to play along or go about their game time their way. Wait, what? The whole point of his crappy thread with no coherence whatsoever is just to “inform” new pilots that they don’t have to purchase a permit if they don’t want to? And you needed all the “reasoning” above to get there? Oh man… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/64 "2019-08-08T19:37:32Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I wouldn’t be suprised if multiboxing is more prevalent amongst miners than amongst gankers even… The words were written, but they lingered, echoing in Knowledgeminer’s dusty brain. He found himself waking in the middle of the night, covered in sweat, fantasizing that he saw Aiko beckoning him with the grace of a true princess. He saw visions of great miner fleets, skiffs and orcas and procurers, piloted not by innocent new players, and he found himself yearning to burn them all with fire. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/65 "2019-08-08T19:49:15Z")
Now, if only you would want to be my girlfriend… maybe that would be all I need to be completely seduced… but I’ve been told you’re taken… 💔 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/66 "2019-08-08T21:57:57Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Why would you say this in reply to me asking what did you mean when you talked about “the right to issue permits”? Who is forcing anyone to RP here? Why would it matter whether that’s considered powergaming or not and how is it relevant to anything being discussed? That sentence was wrong to phase it one side like that meaning _that_ Alliance members have the right to roleplay but have no right to force their roleplay into everyones game time. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What was this supposed to be? A link to some other thread? Can you not provide a proper link? Is that supposed to be relevant to whatever it is that you’re trying to say? A old discussion about powergaming that can be seen as either one playing many accounts and another way with one player controlling the actions of many players, ie in the form of _you do this my way only_ > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > LOL. Asking miners to pay a 10 mill/year permit is wanting to turn them into slaves? Don’t you think you’re exaggerating a bit here? It is what it is, powergaming to have others work under your control for x amount of their time to sum up the fee of such permit. It would be different if _that_ Alliance were to remove the fee for such permit and that way more pilots would consider joining in on that role play. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Again, what does this have to do with mining permits or with whatever it is that you’re trying to say? Some miner gankers are alpha and play with just 1 account, not even a separate account for a scout, whereas some miners multibox many accounts themselves too. I wouldn’t be suprised if multiboxing is more prevalent amongst miners than amongst gankers even… > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Does this sentence above make _any_ sense to you? The Code clearly appears to have been written by someone who wanted to control more than one account. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Wait, what? The whole point of his crappy thread with no coherence whatsoever is just to “inform” new pilots that they don’t have to purchase a permit if they don’t want to? And you needed all the “reasoning” above to get there? Oh man… Invited those behind this permit to come forward and speak up. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/67 "2019-08-08T22:18:33Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Forced RP on other players is considered powergaming. I see that this term has been used instead of ‘god modding’ which is a great pity because > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Powergaming is choosing only the optimal stat set/item set without bothering with any RP. makes more sense. /me grumbles about youngsters redefining terms. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/68 "2019-08-08T22:26:31Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > ‘god modding Oh yes, good choice though I wouldn’t start saying _that_ Alliance members are controlling others within their roleplay without limits or boundaries. Reason I used powergaming instead. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/69 "2019-10-19T22:15:48Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > The Code clearly appears to have been written by someone who wanted to control more than one account. Indeed, James 315 is known to have controlled more than TWO accounts! ---
**Author:** ![Octavech\_Raholan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/octavech_raholan/32/373797_2.png) [@Octavech\_Raholan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Octavech_Raholan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/70 "2019-10-19T22:32:01Z")
“Democratically elected.” According to what I read in your website james just literally declared himself leader because he somehow judged that “general people does not deserve to vote because they are not wise as himself.” This is a disgusting, elitist perversion of any “democratic” system, but literally every bit of code is designed to be obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/71 "2019-10-19T22:34:00Z")
James did not declare ‘himself’ leader. The shareholders elected him. Several elections were held on these very EVE forums, and all miners had the opportunity to participate. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/72 "2019-10-20T00:21:53Z")
TL;DR of the whole thread. CODE. are free, by the rules of the game, to run an extortion racket; and they’re willing to use their resources to force the compliance of others. Compliance includes some common sense rules in any game where people can shoot each other in the face. Nobody needs to pay CODE., outplaying them is their potential targets role in the dance. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/73 "2019-10-20T00:33:41Z")
> [@Octavech\_Raholan](#): > > This is a disgusting, elitist perversion of any “democratic” system It’s 1:30am here and you’ve just made my day before I’ve even hit the sack. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/74 "2019-10-20T00:36:23Z")
Tell me about it, the kebab shop down the road is packed out. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/75 "2019-10-20T00:37:37Z")
I really shouldn’t be doing what I’m doing where I’m doing it in the state I’m in. I’m actually surprised I can string a sentence together. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/76 "2019-10-20T00:38:13Z")
Drunk postin’ best postin’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Octavech\_Raholan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/octavech_raholan/32/373797_2.png) [@Octavech\_Raholan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Octavech_Raholan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/77 "2019-10-20T00:38:18Z")
Its just like how that Gravenstein guy and Knowledgeminer said. Code are free to form their cult and rackets. Gankers are free to gank. I am free to oppose them. I am free to challenge what they believe. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/78 "2019-10-20T00:39:04Z")
Hey, you’re free to do whatever you like providing you wear protection and burn the photos man. I’m not judging. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/79 "2019-10-20T00:43:40Z")
Many have gone before you, many will follow. I’m a hisec miner and industrialist, I have no permit; they’ve never bothered me. Primarily because I’m hard to catch, even harder to kill and the loot fairy will make sure I’m unprofitable to kill in the first place; and I don’t do silly things like go AFK in a game where others can shoot me in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/80 "2019-10-20T01:03:21Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I don’t do silly things like go AFK Imagine a game where people thought AFK play was a ‘playstyle’… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944.md?page=5)