# Let's go over the details on this 10 Milllion Isk Permit **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 8, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944 "2019-08-08T01:51:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/126 "2019-10-21T21:03:56Z")
I’d like to make an addendum to my earlier post; replacing “idiot” with “asshole” doesn’t change the truth of that quote. I seriously doubt that many people in CODE. are assholes, and I’ve spoken to members of their alliance who were very polite and helpful when they weren’t acting in-character. Unfortunately, they’ve probably attracted some _genuine_ assholes into their ranks who either don’t know or don’t care that the rest of the alliance is only _pretending_ to be assholes. Even if asshole players get purged once the leadership figures out they’re genuinely malicious, I doubt this has done the alliance’s reputation any favors. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Oh yes, we get some of them, but if you follow the blog at all you will figure out pretty fast that we get rid of them naturally. 🤣 So I can imagine, though I don’t follow the blog because James’ particular brand of humor isn’t my cup of tea. Have you ever run into any of the idiots (or assholes) yourself? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I wonder who created the alt Codeisajoke Well, it wasn’t me. [According to EveWho](https://evewho.com/character/2114830368) that character started in January and was biomassed about a month later; I only started playing in June. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I don’t quite follow how CODE. is a joke but literally half the forums is about their heroic deeds. That’s fair. I suppose that instead of saying “CODE. is _a_ joke” it would be more accurate to say that “CODE. is _the_ joke”. Specifically, it’s the joke that James 315 has been playing on the rest of the game since [he posted his first manifesto back in 2011](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/40762/). Almost eight years later and it may be getting long in the tooth, but he clearly hasn’t grown tired of it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/127 "2019-10-21T21:39:23Z")
I don’t know what your problem is, to be honest. What is so ‘funny’ or ‘wrong’ to you about the fact that people want to shoot highsec miners? They are, as James said, terrible for the health of the game. AFK miners need to just uninstall and leave the game for people who actually enjoy playing it. CODE. isn’t roleplaying about any of this. We are serious. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/128 "2019-10-21T22:11:43Z")
I don’t have any real problem with CODE. I’ve learned to just accept you guys as another part of the game, and while I don’t find James’ particular brand of humor to be all that _funny_ that’s just my personal taste, not a judgment of the man himself. Nor do I think you and your compatriots’ behavior is wrong from a moral or gameplay perspective, even if I do find it somewhat obnoxious. Also, when I talk about CODE.'s roleplaying I’m referring to the whole “new rulers of hisec” spiel, not their desire to eliminate AFK players and bots. I believe that CODE. genuinely wants to stop those things, and I agree that AFK mining and ratting are bad for the game, though I’m not likely to become a ganker myself. I don’t see any reason to work myself into a frenzy over CODE.'s actions and instead just accept them for what they are. That and keep an eye out for them when I’m mining, of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/129 "2019-10-21T22:12:48Z")
If you don’t even think James is funny, why do you keep calling Code a joke and saying Code is _the_ joke. I mean, sheesh… Are you sure its a joke? > I don’t see any reason to work myself into a frenzy over CODE.'s actions You just post about it a lot to tell everyone the ‘truth’ about CODE. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/130 "2019-10-21T22:21:25Z")
I mean, look, I legit do **not** understand why anybody would disagree with what CODE is doing. Even the miners have no reason to protest. Highsec mining is an absolute waste of time and effort. If you want to mine - go find a nice wormhole. Sitting in highsec AFK mining with an Orca is the real reason players quit the game. New players see that, and decide this must be the most boring game ever. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/131 "2019-10-21T22:43:18Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you don’t even think James is funny, why do you keep calling Code a joke and saying Code is _the_ joke. I mean, sheesh… Are you sure its a joke? Well, I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that James has been playing a joke on the rest of New Eden for the last eight years. It’s not like he actually _believes_ he’s the ruler of hisec, that’s just a hat he wears. And I’m not so arrogant to believe that something isn’t amusing just because it doesn’t amuse _me_. Different strokes for different folks, and all that; I enjoy black humor well enough, but several members of my family don’t think it’s funny at all. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You just post about it a lot to tell everyone the ‘truth’ about CODE. To be honest, that’s because I’d like it if people stopped making such a fuss about you guys. As much as I understand not wanting to be ganked, the sheer _amount_ of complaining I see about CODE. is getting tiresome. I mean, if you converted the “salt” CODE. has generated over the years into actual, physical salt and dumped it into a single pile then the result would probably look like a freaking _scale model_ of [Monte Kali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Kali_(Heringen))! And that’s not even getting into the people who insist you’re all scum of the earth and won’t hear anything else. Rare, yes, but they certainly left an impression. 😐 > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I mean, look, I legit do **not** understand why anybody would disagree with what CODE is doing. Even the miners have no reason to protest. Highsec mining is an absolute waste of time and effort. If you want to mine - go find a nice wormhole. Sitting in highsec AFK mining with an Orca is the real reason players quit the game. New players see that, and decide this must be the most boring game ever. I get that, I really do. As far as mechanics are concerned mining is probably the dullest activity in the game, and I would _love_ to see the system get a revamp that actually makes it engaging and fun, but I wouldn’t call it useless. Hell, hisec moon mining is how I accumulated enough minerals to build my first Dominix! The shared can operations run by E-Uni are also pretty fun because we’re all talking to each other while we mine, and I’ve had some pretty nice conversations with other members while we’re chiseling away at the asteroids in front of us. Like so many things in EvE, I guess it all comes down to who you spend your time with. Good people can bring fun and happiness to something that’s dull and bland when you do it by yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/132 "2019-10-21T22:54:19Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > CODE. isn’t roleplaying about any of this. We are serious. Thank you, Aiko. I’m not roleplaying and I don’t put on any characters. I offer my real and honest opinions and ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/133 "2019-10-22T06:39:46Z")
James is King and Unbanned in Hek! PRAISE BE! ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/134 "2019-10-22T08:43:10Z")
This is a code dot promotional thread. Just don’t post in it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/135 "2019-10-22T10:24:02Z")
Well, actually its an anti-CODE thread, but I can see why you might think it is a promotional thread, since every anti-CODE argument eventually leads to universal agreement that James 315 is the rightful CEO of highsec. ---
**Author:** ![karma\_balancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karma_balancer/32/477046_2.png) [@karma\_balancer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/karma_balancer)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/136 "2019-10-22T11:31:38Z")
Sounds like good advice if you don’t want to lose a ship and clone. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/137 "2019-10-22T12:38:24Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Have you ever run into any of the idiots (or assholes) yourself? Oh yes, they are usually overzealous with lots of ideas about “optimising” our income, tracking permits and in general don’t get the humor of it. They usually quit pretty fast and become the “former fan” type rebels. People don’t get that we really just enjoy killing miners. Killing miners is absolutely hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Kebbert\_Tsukino](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebbert_tsukino/32/168721_2.png) [@Kebbert\_Tsukino](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebbert_Tsukino)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/138 "2019-10-22T12:46:13Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > People don’t get that we really just enjoy killing miners. It’s hilarious. See, I can respect that. Killing ■■■■ for the sake of killing ■■■■ is a motivation I can understand. I genuinely believe CODE is a net positive for the game. I just also think that some of your members are really boring in how they go about enforcing the ‘laws’, when they start taking the schtick so humorlessly in posts that it becomes tedious to read. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/139 "2019-10-22T14:00:02Z")
It’s not a schtick, that’s what some people don’t understand. We actually believe this, so of course it’s not always a ‘funny’ joke or entertainment, because for us this is just like constantly having to explain the Constitution to a bunch of illiterate miners. - James is the High King of Halaima and Kamio. - He inherited the fortunes of Currin and slew the beast BoB. - He was permabanned for the sins of the miners, but is arisen and resides in Hek! - Every miner needs a permit - no exceptions! We are just trying to explain the basic facts of history and the legal framework of this civilization, so that miners understand how it came to be that the old empires were dissolved, and the New Order arose to replace them. Miners often complain that they were never informed or given a proper warning - so what you see as shtick or humorless repetition, this is in fact the warning that miners have repeatedly requested. We aim to please, protect, and serve! ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/140 "2019-10-22T15:34:05Z")
> [@Kebbert\_Tsukino](#): > > See, I can respect that. Killing ■■■■ for the sake of killing ■■■■ is a motivation I can understand. I genuinely believe CODE is a net positive for the game. I just also think that some of your members are really boring in how they go about enforcing the ‘laws’, when they start taking the schtick so humorlessly in posts that it becomes tedious to read. Exactly what I think ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/141 "2019-10-22T15:39:10Z")
Also will add that CODE agents lack imagination and don’t create the content they so proudly claim they do. Why don’t they create specific events weekly, like let’s say, camp a system and tottaly blockade it, ask Ramson, etc, but I mean in high scale. it would be so fun to try to break it. Or camp a specific moon pop somewhere and deny people from actually mine there, the possibilities are infinite on content they can create, but no, they prefer to hunt lonely and not important targets in forgotten from God systems and post crap in forums. the decadence is so much that me, a kindly “new” player that don’t even do PvP is teaching how to create content. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/142 "2019-10-22T15:56:06Z")
Wow, safira, thank you for teaching us with your wise words. Hold on, I’m gonna send you billions of isk as a reward for your insight. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/143 "2019-10-22T16:25:34Z")
Thanks! But could you pay me in wine instead? I heard a big inflation is coming.😋 Also to correct myself , not all agents but some of them ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/144 "2019-10-22T16:27:30Z")
Is a freighter of spiced wine ok? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944/145 "2019-10-22T16:28:41Z")
My favourite flavour. Waaait do we have any other wine in new Eden? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-go-over-the-details-on-this-10-milllion-isk-permit/180944.md?page=8)