# Let's Have Less Waffle And More Reality....Nerfed Procurers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 8, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847 "2021-12-08T17:34:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/241 "2021-12-30T22:40:43Z")
There’s no such thing as “proper” PvP. If people show up to shoot you and you die, you lose. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/242 "2021-12-31T04:31:00Z")
That would be Eve. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/243 "2022-01-01T18:55:32Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > thus I’d have less to laugh at. cilla laughing it up: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/f/0f97b62bbd7a55a49f6851ef68ef10205b4603a6.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/244 "2022-01-04T21:53:38Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > There’s no such thing as “proper” PvP. Well of course people who never do any have to perpetuate that myth 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/245 "2022-01-05T23:36:16Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Well of course people who never do any have to perpetuate that myth 🙂 k ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/c/3/1c3ea340122f71d69a2db9dc49e40ca262f06359.png) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/246 "2022-01-07T06:31:17Z")
So ? I have 2 other characters 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/247 "2022-01-07T20:25:33Z")
The only way to reliably increase any ship’s EHP is to buy a mining permit. I’m not going to lie, when I was in CODE. a lot of my fun came from finding miners or autopiloters and blowing them up. However, I can’t count the number of times I got frustrated by doing to obligatory ‘Permit Check!’ in local only to have everyone respond proving they were at their keyboards and all have in date permits in their bios that matched up with what was in the alliance database of permits. It’s one of the main reasons my old Corp disbanded, actually. We were so successful that we nerfed our own playstyle. CCP never seems to take permits into account when balancing ‘gankers vs miners’ and I have no idea why. Seems really unfair to be so pro-miner all the time to me. Still, I don’t have the time IRL to search through High Sec for the few remaining miners without permits. Best of luck to all of you on either side of the line and long may the fites be gud, but my heart will always be with the gankers. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/248 "2022-01-07T20:50:13Z")
Why would you need a 400mm T2 plate. There are better ways to tank a proc thank armor tank, and even if you go armor tank, plates are not needed. ---
**Author:** ![Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvyn_nightshade/32/455724_2.png) [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marvyn_Nightshade)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/249 "2022-01-08T07:55:17Z")
I have to admit, the whole change seems arbitrary. The best I can guess is they are trying to bring up align times, without hurting the proc’s tank too much. So they raise its basic tanking stats, but get rid of slots you would have previously used for tanking, so that afk botters can’t use those slots to improve align time? (It would seem like low slots would matter more, though?) ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/250 "2022-01-08T08:13:29Z")
Hull tank it, that leaves room for prop mod and survey scanner. Makes it less easy to tank npc but choices have to be made, that was the whole point. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/251 "2022-01-08T08:21:09Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > My plan to put steel plates in the one extra low slot provided by the changes is thwarted by the fact that all of a sudden I find it’s going to require 9 days of skills training to upgrade to Hull Upgrades V in order to add 400mm Steel Plates II. 1. Armor-tanking a Procurer is a terrible idea. 2. Mixing armor and shield tank on almost anything is a terrible idea. 3. Hull Upgrades V is an important skill that you should make sure to train regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/252 "2022-01-08T12:54:30Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I got my Proc to 61,500 EHP Mine is on 77,442 EHP. You need to look at your fitting again. ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/253 "2022-01-08T13:04:44Z")
> [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](#): > > Still, I don’t have the time IRL to search through High Sec for the few remaining miners without permits. Good protection rackets are not the way to go. > [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](#): > > The only way to reliably increase any ship’s EHP is to buy a mining permit. I will remember this next time I take a freighter through Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/254 "2022-01-10T20:47:39Z")
> [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](#): > > The only way to reliably increase any ship’s EHP is to buy a mining permit. My response to anyone demanding I buy a permit would be to tell them where they could shove it…and end in the word ‘sideways’. ---
**Author:** ![PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pixywarrior_ellecon/32/456340_2.png) [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PixyWarrior_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/255 "2022-01-10T20:50:30Z")
I always laugh when someone tells me to buy a mining permit. I don’t need no mining permit. Please try and gank me, I have alts and allies for a reason 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/256 "2022-01-10T21:58:01Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > My response to anyone demanding I buy a permit would be to tell them where they could shove it…and end in the word ‘sideways’. I can see it now… Agent: Would you like a permit? Cilla: Shove it into my bio right now! Only 10m ISK? What a deal! I want it so bad I don’t care if it’s sideways. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/257 "2022-01-10T22:11:05Z")
> [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](#): > > Agent: Would you like a permit? > Cilla: Shove it into my bio right now! Only 10m ISK? What a deal! I want it so bad I don’t care if it’s sideways. Er…no… Agent : Would you like a permit ? Cilla : Hang on while I dock up my mining ship in that station over there and come back with my Gnosis and then you can ask me again. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/258 "2022-01-10T22:29:38Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Cilla : Hang on while I dock up my mining ship in that station over there and come back with my Gnosis and then you can ask me again. Oh? And what are you going to do with that Gnosis? ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/259 "2022-01-11T04:53:53Z")
I’m imagining a gnosis shoved the wrong place. Ouch. The pointing things would hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/260 "2022-01-11T05:22:38Z")
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