# Let's Have Less Waffle And More Reality....Nerfed Procurers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 8, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847 "2021-12-08T17:34:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/261 "2022-01-11T13:41:04Z")
Ah, but does your mistress turn into a werewolf when told to buy a mining permit… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/d/8/bd89b62f765dfcf5d003471b52c51ca0632c4995.jpeg "Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983) - You Wanna See Something Really Scary?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETC6NSxpFFE) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/262 "2022-03-21T23:19:20Z")
I think that there is still too much ehp on the Procurers ![Procurer](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/0/7f0647bcc14431ba6636db41d3dd82302b7e5f5a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/263 "2022-03-21T23:30:54Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I think that there is still too much ehp on the Procurers I have a Gnosis at higher EHP than that. I’m pretty sure half a dozen gankers could gank it in 0.5 space…in fact probably fewer. That EHP on the proc does not make up for the 18 seconds alignment warp time…might just as well sit at a gate with a big ‘gank me…you’ve got 18 seconds’ sign. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/264 "2022-03-21T23:59:24Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > That EHP on the proc does not make up for the 18 seconds alignment warp time…might just as well sit at a gate with a big ‘gank me…you’ve got 18 seconds’ sign. You can give (almost) any ship a 7.5-second align time with an afterburner. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/265 "2022-03-22T09:52:45Z")
But that requires figuring out basic knowledge. That’s just cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/266 "2022-03-22T19:33:26Z")
should always have you base armor skills at max anyway. same with base shield skills. This is a you issue, not a game mechanics issue ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/267 "2022-03-22T19:44:24Z")
There was a thread a week or so ago with a guy complaining that his 2bn ISK Orca got destroyed. Yet the guy had nothing whatever in low slots…where Damage Controll II, for a mere 500K ISK, would have saved his 2bn ship. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/268 "2022-03-22T20:05:12Z")
some peoples children… ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/269 "2022-03-24T08:17:46Z")
![bosscurer](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/4/a/64a289aa20c37467c256d0572860b477fa49b81c.jpeg) Everything is t2 except the strip miners. I’d replace one of the medium shield extenders with an afterburner though. You lose just under 3k ehp for one ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/270 "2022-03-24T09:21:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can give (almost) any ship a 7.5-second align time with an afterburner. this click warp click afterburner click again to stop the cycle as soon as afb cycle is over most ships warp insta its called afb trick why? because the ship must have 2/3 of max velocity to warp wen you turn on afb the max velocity of SUPER SLOW ships go up A LOT in % them wen cycle end you are \> 2/3 of real max velocity , bingo thats why DSTs are sooooooo good btw it work on that slow ass paladin to , isnt that great ---
**Author:** ![Emiza\_Mahyisti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emiza_mahyisti/32/326651_2.png) [@Emiza\_Mahyisti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emiza_Mahyisti)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/271 "2022-03-24T13:38:52Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > click warp > click afterburner > click again to stop the cycle > as soon as afb cycle is over most ships warp insta > its called afb trick Great trick. I did not know that. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/272 "2022-06-22T13:39:25Z")
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