# Let's Have Less Waffle And More Reality....Nerfed Procurers

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**Created:** [December 8, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847 "2021-12-08T17:34:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![Elsie\_Duke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsie_duke/32/354768_2.png) [@Elsie\_Duke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsie_Duke)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-have-less-waffle-and-more-reality-nerfed-procurers/340847/207 "2021-12-17T10:14:35Z")

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the gankers whining thread people are referring to is in the CSM section of the forum hen.

> [@New EHP Balance of the Mining Ships and Outcome](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-ehp-balance-of-the-mining-ships-and-outcome/340234/45):
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> This is true. People also don’t know how to use information to defend themselves either. When I had to hump it back 22 jumps from null in a venture, I had to escape a whole WH chain as I was being actively hunted. It took all of the skills I had acquired to get out alive and I had no weapons. But according to some peeps, I should have just died cause somehow PvPers have a magical I win button.

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