# Let's say they remove non-consensual pvp from highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237 "2019-01-08T23:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/61 "2019-01-10T09:39:52Z")
if moon mining spread to high secs with normal ores, i could see the “exhaustion” of belts doable. allow all belts to me stripped mined 1 last time and all further ore would require refineries and cycles. it would create competition and more people having alts right as a belt is made to get all the ore or move out of high sec for mining. ---
**Author:** ![Jint\_Hikaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jint_hikaru/32/387656_2.png) [@Jint\_Hikaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jint_Hikaru)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/62 "2019-01-10T10:05:34Z")
Every POCO will up their Tax to maximum. Carebears will cry that they cant WarDec the owners to take over the POCOs Owners will laugh and remind them that they asked for things to be this way! ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/63 "2019-01-10T13:31:45Z")
Short: nothing Medium: nothing Long: nothing. Because you consent to PVP the SECOND you LOG IN. That is the entire point of EVE Online! If you don’t want to pewpew, there are many other games you can try, such as Farmville. Farmville is over there-\>. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/64 "2019-01-10T13:56:33Z")
> [@HugoRich](#): > > suiciding its an osom fun Spelling and grammar like this should get you executed by eating your own words for all eternity. ---
**Author:** ![Charley\_Varrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charley_varrick/32/134094_2.png) [@Charley\_Varrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charley_Varrick)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/65 "2019-01-10T14:00:24Z")
I’m not sure what posting my kill mail from nearly 2 years ago is supposed to prove…I still think lower costs will lead to more trying PvP. By the way, this toon was created to experiment with game mechanics so I could learn how certain things work. I was kind of expecting kill mails. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/66 "2019-01-10T14:21:09Z")
That’s not how people work, though. When nothing has value, then everyone can buy everything until everyone has everything, which ends with supply skyrocketing until no one cares about building anymore. Anyone thinking people will just always keep building, completely ignores that no one builds when there is no one he can build for. At some point everyone’s saturated and relying solely on new players to keep the economy going is absolutely not possible. Besides the above … when everything is damn cheap it also devalues the experience significantly, because you do not actually perceive any value in your belongings, which means that losing things won’t actually tickle your fancies at all. The thrill of PvP comes not just from the hunt, but also from knowing that losing things is costly. When there is no cost, you significantly hurt the experience. Then there’s the fact that miners will whine about how they don’t earn a lot … which is dumb, of course, because relatively speaking miners always earn the same despite whatever the number is saying. This is because the income of a miner is in direct relation to the value of all goods, and when the miner earns a higher number eventually everything will get more expensive, because gets more money … but I digress. Cheap isn’t necessarily good. Balanced supply/demand is good. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/67 "2019-01-10T14:50:50Z")
Short : People will post things on the forums Medium : People will post things on the forums Long : Looking back on all that was posted, people realize they wasted their time like a lotto player looks back at all the dollars (spend on the lotto) he could have saved and used for his medical bill now that he is old and grumpy. At least it was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/68 "2019-01-10T15:44:34Z")
Just for you to remember that PVP is easily accessible isk wise. Losses are absolutely normal, that’s not the matter here. ---
**Author:** ![Charley\_Varrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charley_varrick/32/134094_2.png) [@Charley\_Varrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charley_Varrick)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/69 "2019-01-10T16:45:51Z")
That depends… For a new player starting out running lev1 missions payout plus bonus is…100K if your lucky. that’s 8 to 10 missions just to pay for the ship. Add in parts, lets say 12 missions. I think some of you forget how bad mission payouts were starting out. ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/70 "2019-01-10T17:07:38Z")
This subject of highsec becoming less of a pvp zone seems common lately. Wardec changes still got people pissy or what? I don’t see it ever being removed, but if it did then I agree with a lot of what I have read above. Huge effect to the market both long and short term. I’m sure many players quit or at least threaten to quit while blowing up the forums. Many players may move out of highsec causing a huge separation between players. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/71 "2019-01-10T17:22:04Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Oh come on now, are you not at least a bit amused at the mental gymnastics some posters go through with their answers? 🤪 Well yeah, I can and do. I just like to give solstice crap for being one of the real, genuine weirdos in this game. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/72 "2019-01-10T17:34:42Z")
Awwwww, I love you too! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/73 "2019-01-10T18:40:44Z")
Nothing forces people to do missions for isk, but doing missions only for the isk is missing the point of a game, especially for a new player. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/74 "2019-01-10T19:33:45Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Nothing forces people to [not PVP] Wrong, their search for action, adventure and a great story drives them. For me missions are the best part of EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/76 "2019-01-11T08:20:14Z")
Except you are wrong about miners income. Because not everything is tied to the t1 mineral index. Especially not everything is tied to the low end mineral index. There are plenty of items with fixed minimum isk costs. There are plenty of things sourced elsewhere in Eve. But admitting that wouldn’t let you abuse miners the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Violet\_Crumble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/violet_crumble/32/281229_2.png) [@Violet\_Crumble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Violet_Crumble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/77 "2019-01-11T08:32:01Z")
More bots More belts mined out by the combination of NPC miners and player bots Less ice and ores to mine for active players Continued forum rage about how things are unfair ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/78 "2019-01-11T11:59:32Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Missions. No action, no adventure, just repetitive stupidness for people with no skill. > > Sure, whatever suits your capabilities, I guess. > > Maybe you’re ten ply. 😊 I am sorry that I have a different opinion on the gameplay and your best counter is insults. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/79 "2019-01-11T14:12:19Z")
EVE is circling the drain, so all of these arguments are moot. Another 10k hit to the playerbase and quite a few regions will be ghost towns. As soon as players stop being able to generate content they’re history. Once this starts happening it’ll be like opening up the floodgates and trying to plug the leaks with your fingers… EVE has at best a solid year left before it begins the inevitable decline. So enjoy your high-sec ganking while it lasts, because removing it will be the last desperate act of a dying company. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/80 "2019-01-11T15:43:35Z")
We already know what happens, this mistake was made before. Since mining, hauling and manufacturing will be 100% safe everyone will do it. You will end up with tons of “markets” all selling stuff that no one will buy because everyone makes their own and everything lasts forever. In UO before Trammel crafting was very viable. After Trammel every house had 50 vendors all selling the same dam thing that no one bought. Anyone who played original UO knows for a fact how horrible this would be. ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237/81 "2019-01-11T16:06:53Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > EVE is circling the drain, so all of these arguments are moot. Another 10k hit to the playerbase and quite a few regions will be ghost towns. Arthur, it’s vastly more populated. Back in 2004 when I stared you could actually go a week without seeing another player in 0.0. In 2010 when I left it was easy to AFK travel through low sec. Now days there may not be more peak players, but it seems there is more consistency in the amount of players active. There doesn’t appear to be an “off time”. ^^^ Post from a player that played Eve in the beginning, responding to your question I believe about the amount of players then and now. So how again is Eve " circling the drain " if player numbers are up? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-say-they-remove-non-consensual-pvp-from-highsec/132237.md?page=5)