# Lets talk about ratting and all the things it does baby, lets talk about rats **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 2, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911 "2019-08-02T22:17:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/1 "2019-08-02T22:17:38Z")
This thread is dedicated to discussion about progressing the ratting aspects of eve. Please keep the replies on topic. This topic is about ways to improve ratting to make the experience feel better, provide better rewards, and all around over all improve it. Some starter points to talk about: - Looking at working ewar mechanics to being more generic, Apply 1 point in an effort to create a single type of module that counters ewar. this and how it can be used as mechanics to helpdiversify pve builds from pvp builds which will give clear advantages - Lets talk about adding new mechanics into the game that are aoe based that specifically trigger from pve. For example smaller bubbles say 5-10km across that implode dealing large amounts of aoe damage you have to avoid. Mobs can shoot them out and then after a time detonate. This could probably be best fitted into a mine style of weapon. - Lets talk about the mix of rats in belts, and potentially looking at adding to them more things like logi, stealth bombers or ships that counter drones hard, that force mix ups of current meta (vni, super etc). these types of ships should rep each other and perform in better ways in tearms of npc team play. In this aspect values (health, damage, etc) on the ships would be increased significantly to offer slower kill rate at higher pay outs. These numbers can be changed in a way that it makes the over all encounter superior and feel better, but provide the same amounts of income. - Lets talk about **group based ratting** and we should look at changing the ratting system so that people do not share rewards, but get bonus’s from doing it. 5% isk bonus up to 5 people in squad (25% cap). That means bounties would no longer be split 1m / 5, but instead would grant 1m to each person + 25% of that. - Any other idea’s you might have. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/2 "2019-08-02T22:25:50Z")
Kind of like placing gems into a trinket. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/3 "2019-08-02T22:26:21Z")
Or nanite paste into armor reps ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/4 "2019-08-02T22:28:04Z")
Drifters are already way ahead of the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/5 "2019-08-02T22:29:43Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Lets talk about adding new mechanics into the game that are aoe based that specifically trigger from pve. For example smaller bubbles say 5-10km across that implode dealing large amounts of aoe damage you have to avoid. Mobs can shoot them out and then after a time detonate. This could probably be best fitted into a mine style of weapon. Will this use the mechanism of the Exploding Ice Theory to avoid it being weaponised? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/6 "2019-08-02T22:30:15Z")
From a development perspective rats have insane stats because that is the most effective way of making them competitive (“hard”) for players. AI coding takes time and a lot of tweaking and generally is not developer (cost) resource - efficient. New weapons that randomly create “zones of death” (larges amounts of damage to armor/hull ignoring shields) or mini-versions of the doomsdays for rats (that just do lots of damage if you “stand in them” are good starts at improving the ratting system. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/7 "2019-08-02T22:35:41Z")
Or release another faction line of ships call them Driftavian and add one or two of each kind of drifter to each belt below 0.5 systems that spawn with the current normal rats. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/8 "2019-08-02T22:46:58Z")
Honestly Wow and Eve are both in what i like to “content death mode” Where developers spam content hoping it will some how stop the death of the game. it never, ever has or will fix a game. we need things to be fixed, not added. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/9 "2019-08-02T23:02:50Z")
New Eden would still be considered fresh to the player base as content is generated via player interaction. Azeroth is a path of role play and I see the difference in content delivery to the player base. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > adding new mechanics into the game Adding on top of a product also creates expansions though. ---
**Author:** ![Janus\_Gregorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/janus_gregorian/32/144827_2.png) [@Janus\_Gregorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Janus_Gregorian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/10 "2019-08-02T23:08:12Z")
Suggestion: Don’t bother with this clown, don’t even waste time to read his stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/11 "2019-08-02T23:11:54Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > New Eden would still be considered fresh to the player base as content is generated via player interaction. That is the nature of “player generated content” and one of the strengths of sandboxes like eve. However, that point aside, the game does not need more content (station designs etc) atm for the most part ( i say this because i am a fan of adding specific aspects of content that invalidate alt game play. Like sensors to detect enemy fleets via the map that invalidate spies in a corp/alliance). ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/12 "2019-08-02T23:19:20Z")
I generally feel that the best way to go about improving a game system is not to do what most developers do, which is to say, “Let’s generate some cool ideas and then put those into the game! That will make the game cool, right?”. If you want to change ratting, rat abilities, and rat spawn generation, you should probably start with talking a bit about: - What role/niche does ratting fill in the game? - What is wrong with the current ratting system? - What is good about the current ratting system? - What objectives do we want a ratting revamp to achieve? That last point would be things like, Ratting should: - Be more interesting and active - Have greater variety of spawns and tactics - Be less bottable - Be more/less rewarding, or; more rewarding for active play, less rewarding for bot/afk play - Provide different challenges in different security levels/regions - Should ratting provide easy, medium or ‘hard’ fights? Should this vary by region or spawn type? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/13 "2019-08-02T23:30:16Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > What is wrong with the current ratting system? > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > What is wrong with the current ratting system? > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > What is wrong with the current ratting system? When we address the issues of ratting (like afking) and general afk - gaming in eve, the solution is to require the players attention to correct these issues. For example, Fast swapping of targets by the rats which could be accomplished by very quick lock times on them and a little change to the duration they stay locked on a person. This is done in abyssal with the drones, not paying attention and you will quickly lose them. These sorts of mechanics prevent afking, and require the player to start interacting with the game, which is one of the key reasons we should change ratting (and other game play styles like mining etc). > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > What role/niche does ratting fill in the game? Its a pve version of pvp, which could be used to both train, and engage the players who are not into pvp or are just learning the game. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/14 "2019-08-02T23:31:09Z")
> [@Janus\_Gregorian](#): > > Suggestion: Don’t bother with this clown, don’t even waste time to read his stuff. I never did fall very far from the tree! ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/15 "2019-08-02T23:35:42Z")
> [@Changing the "Que" of things](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/changing-the-que-of-things/179076/2): > > [[image] ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/9/596714b5ecece6ff13dcdc06d3d8bdf45229b877.png) /notemptyquoting. Just gonna leave this here. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/16 "2019-08-03T09:38:47Z")
Let us talk about posting in the right part of the forum instead. General discussion is not where you post stuff like this, that would be features and ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/17 "2019-08-03T11:30:33Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > General discussion is not where you post stuff like this, that would be features and ideas. this is not a suggestion, this is a discussion, to obtain peoples opinions about what should be fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/18 "2019-08-03T11:40:40Z")
Discussion of potential changes and/or fixes to the game falls under the auspices of features and ideas. Furthermore some of your discussion points are poorly disguised attempts to garner support for changes to the game. Features and Ideas is where such topics belong. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/20 "2019-08-03T11:47:08Z")
> [Welcome to Player Features & Ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/welcome-to-player-features-ideas/85) > This is the place for the community to suggest features and changes for EVE Online. Counterpoint. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > No its not. And unless your a mod, shut up. Learn your place. Did I hit a nerve? Keep going in that fashion and I’ll escalate by using bigger and bigger hammers to do so. Given your past history, you might wish to follow your own advice. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911/21 "2019-08-03T11:47:32Z")
He thinks hes a dev, doesnt he? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-ratting-and-all-the-things-it-does-baby-lets-talk-about-rats/179911.md?page=2)