# \[Lifeblood\] Refineries, Moon Drills and the Extraction Process **URL:** \ **Category:** Test Server Feedback\ **Tags:** lifeblood, singularity\ **Created:** [August 28, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385 "2017-08-28T17:41:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Vivianne\_Athonille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivianne_athonille/32/512723_2.png) [@Vivianne\_Athonille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivianne_Athonille)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/84 "2017-09-07T19:16:05Z")
I hadn’t yet considered the greater availability of the scram as the bonus to the larger vulnerability windows of the refineries. Looks like chunks need to be scheduled during vulnerability when this goes live. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Basil\_Vulpine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/basil_vulpine/32/19190_2.png) [@Basil\_Vulpine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Basil_Vulpine)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/85 "2017-09-07T20:08:52Z")
Given that the scheduler shows the vulnerability period I suspect CCP have very much thought of this. For low-sec at least it’ll give some level of defense against solo / small gang attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Tribal\_Trogdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tribal_trogdor/32/215753_2.png) [@Tribal\_Trogdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tribal_Trogdor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/86 "2017-09-07T22:01:10Z")
The issue isn’t it having some level of defense. The issue is the unbreakable scram/web. Even if they cant kill you, you’re stuck there for 20 minutes trying to slowly move out of range Its more of a structure ewar problem in general. Most roaming gangs going for miners are nano, to move quickly. Nano gangs and structure fights rarely go well for the attackers if the structure can web/scram for that long. Its way to big of an advantage to the defender to be able to force the mining into vuln windows with that much no counterplay ewar. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Brockman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_brockman/32/22678_2.png) [@Cain\_Brockman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Brockman)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/87 "2017-09-08T01:48:13Z")
Last I check the scram on the citadel structures only works when the structure is vulnerable, so that would be the only window when it would work on anyone attacking the mining fleet. plus the belt is going to be right on the 250km range point of the scram and web so possible to avoid them completely from what I’m seeing. so you only have to worry about the structure missles really. ---
**Author:** ![Exia\_Lennelluc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exia_lennelluc/32/22821_2.png) [@Exia\_Lennelluc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exia_Lennelluc)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/88 "2017-09-08T18:33:08Z")
Will I still get the same refining bonus on a citadel or engineer complex after the patch? ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/89 "2017-09-08T20:45:14Z")
The moon chunk is a Large Collidable Object, but it currently has no collision model, so its possible to fly around inside it. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/90 "2017-09-08T20:55:37Z")
One possible fix for your scenario at Refineries, would be to remove “auto repeat” from the module. Attentive pilots would have a chance to escape, while in sieges involving many pilots, some might miss when the effect briefly drops. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/91 "2017-09-09T16:05:26Z")
According to previous dev blogs … no. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/92 "2017-09-13T17:54:56Z")
Hey all. thanks for the feedback! Just wanted to not the following addition from today > [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > As of 13th Sept there is a slash command to speed up your moon mining. While in control of your refinery, use /completeextraction to move the moon chunk to a ready state Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/93 "2017-09-14T15:59:19Z")
Hey folks, another day, another update 🙂 > [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > UPDATE (14th Sept) - A new iteration of the moon material distribution has been implemented on Singularity. Your Extraction schedulers and survey scan results will now match this new version as will the ore fields created by the completion of any ongoing extractions. This distribution is following a testing ruleset, and please note that the test server will never have the final live server distribution so probing moons on Singularity will never allow you to determine the eventual live moon compositions on Tranquility. You should expect the composition of moons on Singularity to change multiple times between now and the Lifeblood release as we test our distribution system. We refer you back to the warning at the top of this post. ---
**Author:** ![Ncc\_1709](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ncc_1709/32/393392_2.png) [@Ncc\_1709](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ncc_1709)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/94 "2017-09-15T14:04:49Z")
Hi What do the color’s mean on the moon scans? some show grey, others red some blue / orange? ---
**Author:** ![Rainus\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainus_max/32/444844_2.png) [@Rainus\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rainus_Max)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/95 "2017-09-15T17:15:37Z")
Is the distribution going to be roughly the same across null sec or are areas like the drone lands going to get a poorer selection? ---
**Author:** ![T-945FII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t-945fii/32/376747_2.png) [@T-945FII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T-945FII)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/96 "2017-09-18T13:10:06Z")
Have rigs and service modules been released for reactions in refineries yet? ---
**Author:** ![Adria\_Eqviis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adria_eqviis/32/24623_2.png) [@Adria\_Eqviis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adria_Eqviis)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/97 "2017-09-22T22:22:44Z")
@CCP_Lebowski current issues I’m seeing: - missing message error when trying to click “schedule” while no moon mining service is installed: - graphics aren’t updated to reflect vulnerability status (note 3d safe timer while yellow in-space sign says “vulnerable”) - moon chunk is flickering in space and hard to select (this is shortly after starting a new cycle) [https://aurora.nox.tf/tmp/flicker.webm](https://aurora.nox.tf/tmp/flicker.webm) [add: DX9, low graphics settings, ATI Thames Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M] Cheers, equi ---
**Author:** ![Ncc\_1709](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ncc_1709/32/393392_2.png) [@Ncc\_1709](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ncc_1709)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/98 "2017-09-23T10:09:23Z")
@CCP_Lebowski is it intentional that refineries can only manufactured in sotiyo’s / outposts? ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/99 "2017-09-23T10:27:33Z")
That would be pretty rubbish if they leave it that way. It would simply hand all refinery production to larger entities. ---
**Author:** ![Ncc\_1709](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ncc_1709/32/393392_2.png) [@Ncc\_1709](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ncc_1709)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/100 "2017-09-24T00:25:02Z")
@CCP_Lebowski When you explode a chunk, part of the explosion hits the refinery. It would make sense for the shields to reflect that too when doing so ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/101 "2017-09-24T09:05:52Z")
just something that has bugged me for a while and since we are re-doing moon mining thought it would bring it up. can you add the survey time of the probes to the attributes rather than the description ---
**Author:** ![Basil\_Vulpine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/basil_vulpine/32/19190_2.png) [@Basil\_Vulpine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Basil_Vulpine)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/102 "2017-09-25T13:20:08Z")
Hopefully not and CCP have a history of forgetting to add “structure” related stuff to to “permitted to build” lists. ---
**Author:** ![Basil\_Vulpine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/basil_vulpine/32/19190_2.png) [@Basil\_Vulpine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Basil_Vulpine)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385/103 "2017-09-25T13:20:45Z")
If so then please make sure it doesn’t trigger a “structure under attack” notification. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lifeblood-refineries-moon-drills-and-the-extraction-process/20385.md?page=6)