# Listening to people is an asymetrical bet **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 25, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399 "2023-08-25T11:00:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/1 "2023-08-25T11:00:58Z")
I dont know who needs to hear this but what does it cost you to listen? And what could you potentially get out of it? It seems like it doesn’t cost anything to listen to someone, but the potential reward is unlimited. Its probably the biggest asymmetrical bet you can make. Why is this relevant? Well i dont think anyone important at CCP is reading the forum, or discussions players have about EVE. I dont think they care. But i could be wrong. And could this post help bridge the gap? Or make things worse? You tell me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/2 "2023-08-25T12:59:01Z")
You have a history of particularly goofy ideas that make it easy to gloss over them. Oh look Dreg came up with another bad suggestion or a rant about how nobody is making their bad suggestions a reality. Cant wait to see it all happen again tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/3 "2023-08-25T13:17:30Z")
I dont want to make this thread about me but im curious which idea you thought was particularly goofy and maybe we can compare it with CCPs latest idea of “Find the gates” the treasure hunt for 50B isk maybe ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/4 "2023-08-25T13:26:18Z")
„Make bigger ships better than smaller ones“ was a particularly awful idea. > [@Progression is underwhelming](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/progression-is-underwhelming/416260): > > Upgrading your ship class in EVE online feels underwhelming because when you go to a bigger size you lose significant amount of mobility, you lose tracking and you lose targeting speed. Is there not a better way to balance the ships? Must the bigger ones be so annoying to fly compared to the smaller ones? ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/5 "2023-08-25T13:26:37Z")
How so? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/6 "2023-08-25T13:27:20Z")
Go read that thread, people already explained how it’s an awful idea. Accept the asymmetric bet. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/7 "2023-08-25T13:27:35Z")
That wasnt very helpful ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/8 "2023-08-25T13:29:06Z")
What do you expect me to do? - Copy and paste quotes from that thread - Retype what everyone already said in that thread - Use ChatGPT to summarize it for you The answer to your „how so“ exists already, it’s in that thread, asking me of it here again is completely ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/9 "2023-08-25T13:29:58Z")
You are asserting my idea is silly but wont explain why. Thats actually silly imo ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/10 "2023-08-25T13:39:23Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > …but what does it cost you to listen? Listening is fine - to a point. Oversaturation of information, blended noise if there are too many things to listen to, and good old-fashioned propaganda and brainwashing. Those are some of the costs. –Gadget thanks you for asking ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/11 "2023-08-25T13:42:58Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > You are asserting my idea is silly but wont explain why. Because the idea is, to readers, a bright shining beacon illuminating the sheer lack of informed thought that went into forming the idea, assessing its impact, and the social/cultural cluelessness of how it’d be received by peers. It is detached in every way all the way from the game mechanics themselves to the players that inhabit the game. That’s what makes it silly. All this has already been said in that thread. You made me do bullet point #2. Do you realize how your social interactions impact those around you, or does me bringing up those 3 bullet points just woosh by your head on a topic about „asymmetric betting aka _listening_“? ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/12 "2023-08-25T14:43:33Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > what does it cost you to listen? Depending on _who_ does the talking, it could cost me Time and /or my sanity and I need both to deal with real problems, not imagined ones by eccentric online players. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/13 "2023-08-25T15:02:41Z")
![unnamed](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/6/066e293ac560f6372466563cf7f7028800a7ff3a.gif) sorry, must have dozed off ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/14 "2023-08-25T22:05:28Z")
It’s a business model: He is waiting for people to pay him to shut up. 🙂 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/d/d/fdd97691eb38a937590ae3dc2bae5c4774a5bf20.jpeg "RealMoney") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmrwXSxUfU) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/15 "2023-08-26T06:43:09Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > Well i dont think anyone important at CCP is reading the forum, or discussions players have about EVE. I dont think they care. But i could be wrong. No, you’re not wrong. It’s been like that for quite a while, more so after implementing these Discord forums… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/16 "2023-08-26T07:19:00Z")
Listening is learning as _we_ feel _we_ need to learn lots. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/17 "2023-08-26T23:46:13Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > I dont know who needs to hear this Absolutely no one. > [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > what does it cost you to listen? Your sanity, and time you’ll never get back. > [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > And what could you potentially get out of it? Absolutely nothing, except, maybe a headache. It’s another ubiquitous Dreg apc thread. Low effort, whiny, and chock full of bad ideas / advice and answers to questions he’s not willing to listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Dragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ninja_dragon/32/383540_2.png) [@Ninja\_Dragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ninja_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/18 "2023-08-27T04:54:21Z")
It costs time. And time is the most valuable resource. It also costs attention. And your subconscious being filled with dumb ideas. Both are shown in modern times to be devastatingly expensive. I mean just look at all these fools in society! Why, the potential negative consequences of my reading this thread on my life are unforeseeable and likely devastating! It’s over for me!! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/listening-to-people-is-an-asymetrical-bet/417399/19 "2023-11-25T04:55:01Z")
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