# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2147 "2019-08-09T17:40:52Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > about **Blackface** applies to one narrow play style over the other Uhm… wat? ---
**Author:** ![Natashalynn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natashalynn/32/142458_2.png) [@Natashalynn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natashalynn)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2148 "2019-08-09T17:40:53Z")
At least hes trying to speak in a different language so others don’t have to use translate ourselves. Thats very considerate of him. I appreciate the effort. ---
**Author:** ![MegaLuter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/megaluter/32/491908_2.png) [@MegaLuter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MegaLuter)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2149 "2019-08-09T17:41:09Z")
I have information about PVE player activity thanks to the Eve map. PvE players do not have information about PvP players. what is the logic? To understand this you need a translator? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2150 "2019-08-09T17:42:33Z")
Oops sorry my phone I meant Black Out ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2151 "2019-08-09T17:44:23Z")
How exactly do they not? What magic metrics are Tengus getting that Procurers arent? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2152 "2019-08-09T18:29:40Z")
NPC kills over the last hour, etc. You can see where the PvErs have consistently been. You can’t see where the hunters are moving. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2153 "2019-08-09T18:31:30Z")
Thank you. I really wasnt trying to make it into something it wasnt. Just after the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2154 "2019-08-09T18:47:38Z")
Both the map and zkill, dotlan etc show pod kills and other PvP activities. PvErs aren’t being singled out any more on the maps than PvPers, and where people bear isn’t exactly a secret to begin with. Besides, why would bears need to know PvP activity in the first place if they’re not out searching for a fight? They just need to have eyes on chokepoints, wormholes and d-scan. If anything, bears knowing where they themselves are going to be active have all the intel advantages and can safeguard themselves incredibly well if they put a few braincells and a bit of work at it. Hunters have to circumvent all such intel defenses, and the map data itself is barely useful as it is, given that it’s hardly realtime. Hell, if you’re in an even remotely capable nullsec organization, you lot already have eyes on all nearby enemy stagings, all chokepoints and someone’s rolling the holes as they pop up anyway. Trying to claim the bears are at even the slightest disadvantage compared to the hunters that have to circumvent all of that _and_ the ubiquitous umbrellas at this point is disingenuous or stupid, really. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2155 "2019-08-09T19:32:58Z")
To quote self from another thread that will prolly end up merged here, > [@\[Tinfoil Hat Active\] CCP Falcon wants to create more conflict](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/16): > > If you used to mine or rat for hours with half an eye on local and the other half on Netflix, unable or unwilling to adjust to devoting 100% attention to those activities, the blackout is extra discouraging. Every hunter’s eye is looking hard for in-space activity they can shut down, hoping to find someone not paying attention. I suppose we all know players who are “taking a break” because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2156 "2019-08-09T19:33:36Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Both the map and zkill, dotlan etc show pod kills and other PvP activities. Sure, but let’s face it, at any given moment, the % of active hunters who are in the systems where they’ve registered kills in the last hour is significantly lower than the % of active ratters who are in the systems where they’ve registered NPC kills. I’m not arguing the PvPers have an unfair advantage, I’m just clarifying ‘what metrics are [hunters] getting that [ratters/miners] aren’t?’ > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > someone’s rolling the holes as they pop up anyway From what I’ve been seeing and hearing from Malpais, Detorid, and Cache-\>Immensea, the _wormholers_ are rolling those holes away from every single umbrella, just as fast as they can manage. Something about not being able to see if anyone’s got cloaked bosons sitting on the hole when they come back from looking for easy victims. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2157 "2019-08-09T19:38:03Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > If you used to mine or rat for hours with half an eye on local and the other half on Netflix, unable or unwilling to adjust to devoting 100% attention to those activities Then you get to achieve apotheosis and transcend your daily drudgery, entering into a luminous state of brilliance, warmth, and expansive personal growth! **Rejoice!** For truly, you are the lucky ones who blaze a path among the stars for us all! ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2158 "2019-08-09T19:44:33Z")
I normally make matter-of-fact dull, boring posts, and expect similar in return - you’ve packed waaay too much energy into this… _i’m not worthy…_ ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2159 "2019-08-09T19:46:24Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > They just need to have eyes on chokepoints, wormholes and d-scan. And cloakies.. Oh yap.. you can’t do that in BO. Wait, what? A Blackout + Cloakies? There is no advantage on that! And their herculian effort with a cloak, out in that cold! Nothing to see here. Move on! And, and Cynos?.. THE CYNOS! + BO Naaah.. no one holds higher ground there. nah ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2160 "2019-08-09T19:51:37Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > And, and Cynos?.. THE CYNOS! + BO > > Naaah… no one holds higher ground there. nah Yea, and thus didst the Tengu lock up his target, only to see the brilliant blue and gold of the cyno light. Gold washed blood red, as reality tore itself asunder! Two great beasts of the uncharted depths betwixt stars strode forth, roaring in bosonic fury 'ere HAWs and drones were brought to bear… And Lo! The Tengu was no more. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2161 "2019-08-09T19:51:50Z")
yeah, I’m havin’ a little fun with it. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2162 "2019-08-09T19:51:56Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Every wonder why the new races have 1 weapon assigned to them? Nope. It was done to make things different. And they are way different. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2163 "2019-08-09T19:53:09Z")
Generally speaking, you can safely ignore everything he says. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2164 "2019-08-09T19:53:22Z")
Also, have you ever seen something un-scannable? Not a cloakie… just impossible to scan. Out there, in plain view! but nothing can scan it… It’s called Deep Safe, a concept that gives PVE the ultimate chance to… Ay no. Now someone has to deploy probes too? and run them at which radius, excuse me? Naaah… pfft ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2165 "2019-08-09T20:01:09Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yea, and thus didst the Tengu lock up his target, only to see the brilliant blue and gold of the cyno light. Gold washed blood red, as reality tore itself asunder! Two great beasts of the uncharted depths betwixt stars strode forth, roaring in bosonic fury 'ere HAWs and drones were brought to bear… > > And Lo! The Tengu was no more. A Tengu… OUT THERE? alone? without a cyno? ay el nullified. Let me tell you the last time I saw that while I prepare for an event that happens every six months or less. I’ll inform when ready. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2166 "2019-08-09T20:12:12Z")
It wouldn’t matter if the Tengu had a cyno or not. I guarantee the defensive cyno will drop more, harder. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=105) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=107)