# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Anna\_TLA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_tla/32/205546_2.png) [@Anna\_TLA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_TLA)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2351 "2019-08-12T20:11:48Z")
Yah, that works really well when you get jumped by a cloaky and he drops a pile of bored friends on you. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2352 "2019-08-12T20:37:24Z")
I’m your huckleberry! ---
**Author:** ![Oberdon\_Shadow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oberdon_shadow/32/146059_2.png) [@Oberdon\_Shadow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oberdon_Shadow)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2353 "2019-08-12T20:55:49Z")
I’m an elite PVPer because I can find some rorqs mining, decloak, launch a bomb and warp off before they hit. Or tackle and kill a proc mining solo… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2354 "2019-08-12T21:08:26Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/e/3e9d7a4509a7230350443ea455ce7654e78e7d50.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2355 "2019-08-12T21:35:53Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > No one’s told you to rejoin a blob. You’ve just been informed that if you want to faff about with Rorquals, you’re going to have to be able to defend that. If your current group can’t defend that, then you should probably just not use the Rorqual. Downgrade to something you can defend or afford to lose. What makes you think I can’t afford to lose my Rorquals? You presume a lot - Most of it falsely > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Vague and generalized statement with no specifics as to what aspect is broken, nor any ideas as to how it could be fixed. Not very useful. And you’ve made soooo many useful suggestions with your posting - You can’t even remember what you’ve said from one reply to the next. I gave my feedback on things that could be done - In the original thread and over the last few years. As CCP don’t care what we say I’ve given up. If you can’t see how broken the PVP aspect of Eve is, you really are not playing the game. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Yes, if you’ve been paying attention you’ll have noted that I and many others have covered the super proliferation issue many a time already. It’s not particularly relevant to this particular discussion. Of course it is - What sort of FOOL can’t see that blackout and Super proliferation aren’t connected? You have over and over suggested small groups and individuals need to protect themselves - Which in the current meta is a nice subtle way of saying JOIN GOONS. Or one of the other few Blocs who own Sov NUL. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Okay, you’re deficient. I have in _several posts now_ provided suggestions for how to go on without joining the Goons or whoever Ahh yesyour suggestions - Dumb down, use cheaper ships, put 20 or 30 hours a week more into the game to maintain your play style - Sorry but those are the suggestions of someone who no longer plays the game, which from looking at your history, would be you.,. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Toodles. If you can’t thrive as it is now, you weren’t worth much to begin with. Fuk I hate self important nobodies who try to tell others how they should do things - Especially when they so obviously have no understanding of the mechanics and don’t interact with them. You must be Hilmars alt - No-one else could be so arrogant when it comes to what is happening. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2356 "2019-08-12T22:29:09Z")
Quote from > WHY EVE OR CCP GAMES NEEDS TO FAIL > It may not seem like it, but to write this article pains me. I want to be completely wrong. It’s like watching a person you know has excellent potential waste it all on drugs and bad decisions even as everyone around them tries to help them. I can’t disagree with the article but do sincerely agree with the sentiment in the quote.,. I really hope my feelings and those expressed in the article are so very wrong - Sadly CCP is giving me no reason to think they are.,. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2357 "2019-08-12T22:33:06Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Fuk I hate self important nobodies who try to tell others how they should do things - Especially when they so obviously have no understanding of the mechanics and don’t interact with them. Still here complaining huh? The goal of an Eve player is to adapt to the environment which is what prompts the content. Adapting will be difficult for you due to the amount of accounts you have, Lower the amount of accounts you have and accept a more team orientated play style. You’re not going to get people to come around to your way of thinking because there are so many different perspectives. The guy who owns 1 or 2 accounts can still get some fun from Eve, we all want different things from Eve. You and many other multiple account holders seem to want ultimate glory, it seems Eve is becoming a game where that level of glory is hard to achieve. The player base needs some time to adapt, I think Eve will end up with the players doing the same thing as they always do with the only difference being they will field less expensive ships and the economy will slow down a bit. I know there are many pvp’ers who won’t pvp unless they get a victory without loss, due to local being gone this is now harder so the logical course of action is to risk less and still have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2358 "2019-08-12T22:51:55Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Eve is becoming a game where that level of glory is hard to achieve. About the most significant thing you’ve said in this whole discussion. The “glory” is being focused toward one play style - Join a Bloc or give up your chosen play style, developed over many years - Adapt to biased game changing intervention by CCP - Or STOP PLAYING.,. NB; I’m in the process of extracting all my alts and selling off assets - Should have enough isk to sub one barely active account for a few years.,. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2359 "2019-08-12T23:03:38Z")
I simply don’t share your view, I spent around 6 months in a Bloc around 2010/2011. Before and after being in a Bloc I was alone in NPC 0.0 where I developed a great team play style which worked. We were earning ok and enemies found it hard to fight us during our pve ops. We had 4 of us using only T2 frigates. For a long period sneaking around in a hostile environment was more than enough entertainment for us. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > NB; I’m in the process of extracting all my alts and selling off assets - Should have enough isk to sub one barely active account for a few years.,. Here we go, it looks like you are limiting what you do in Eve. This is a good move. the days of you controlling lots of accounts are coming to an end. ---
**Author:** ![Pi\_O\_Pa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi_o_pa/32/146029_2.png) [@Pi\_O\_Pa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pi_O_Pa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2360 "2019-08-12T23:53:21Z")
poor ccp they shot themselves in the foot. a large percentage of players are happy with the blackout. an equally large percentage of player are unhappy. either way the damage is done ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Allcome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alex_allcome/32/153866_2.png) [@Alex\_Allcome](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alex_Allcome)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2361 "2019-08-13T00:16:48Z")
Null blackout is pretty cool. But CCP should do some kind of automated direct scan mode (every 5 sec for example) I think. P.S. my V button already broken ))) ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2362 "2019-08-13T00:43:59Z")
Yes, that is a very reasonable request that I can get behind. One could be able to set D-scan to refresh every 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 and all the way up to 5.0 seconds. I feel this should be implemented straight away as a show of goodwill from CCP. I’m sure many have worn out their keyboards/mice, Is there a CSM here that can champion this? ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2363 "2019-08-13T01:19:02Z")
> [@bluechimera](#): > > They gave you examples that this one-sided blackout , was removed only the locale chat , while all the statistics remained and completely left and all the gankers see in real time where to fly . > Based on this, I suggest that the CCP remove the full payment for the game with PLEX and leave only payment with money. Not true. For the eleventy billionith time. Map stats update on the server tick every 20 minutes. The same timer that you wallet pings ratting ticks at you. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2364 "2019-08-13T01:23:54Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Wait a bit… If you are implying that low-high sec can handle that load, and if none of the more profitable low/high places are available (as should be) can I assume those migrating from Null will have to fight the current dwellers of low/high? (insert yes/no) 😉 > > If that’s the case, we might be talking about some well trained and experienced pilots against well, a mix of noobs and pimps? (no pun int) > > Are you saying that we should kill noobs? > > WAIT JUST A MINUTE THERE! I can exceed ratting income, in either low or high sec. Easily and the method is in no way restricted or scarce. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2365 "2019-08-13T01:25:13Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Yes, that is a very reasonable request that I can get behind. > > One could be able to set D-scan to refresh every 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 and all the way up to 5.0 seconds. I feel this should be implemented straight away as a show of goodwill from CCP. > > I’m sure many have worn out their keyboards/mice, Is there a CSM here that can champion this? You do understand for most competent players beating the tar out of the V key has been called flying forever, it was the first thing I was taught about PvP flight. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2366 "2019-08-13T02:15:49Z")
Good grief. I think we can basically summarize the entire Eve playerbase here quite nicely. Eve players truly loathe two things: Change, and the way things are. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2367 "2019-08-13T02:40:11Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I was alone in NPC 0.0 where I developed a great team play style 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2368 "2019-08-13T03:13:17Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Eve players truly loathe two things: Change, and the way things are. Most accurate statement in the whole thread. ---
**Author:** ![AnzacPaul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anzacpaul/32/264094_2.png) [@AnzacPaul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnzacPaul)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2369 "2019-08-13T03:22:09Z")
The thing I’ve noticed the most about BO, is how empty null feels now. To not even see your own alliance in local makes Eve feel like you’re playing a dead game. Sure, I log on to mumble and have discord etc, but the in-game look in my opinion is not a good one for the game long-term. Maybe look at adding blues/alliance back to local? leave neutrals and below off? ---
**Author:** ![Iron\_Breaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iron_breaker/32/506683_2.png) [@Iron\_Breaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iron_Breaker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2370 "2019-08-13T01:30:17Z")
For whatever it is worth, I hate the Blackout. What is the point of having our own ‘space’ if I cannot see who is in it? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=115) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=117)