# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 141
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2870 "2019-08-31T19:37:01Z")
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**Author:** ![Terminal\_Insanity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terminal_insanity/32/383404_2.png) [@Terminal\_Insanity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terminal_Insanity)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2871 "2019-08-31T19:55:27Z")
I see a legitimate problem with the game, but all the solutions i see from CCP and in this thread are mostly just tackling that issue like an accountant trying to balance the books Thats not how you make an entertaining game. Fixing the problem doesnt matter if the solution ruins the game’s fun. Stop. ---
**Author:** ![Terminal\_Insanity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terminal_insanity/32/383404_2.png) [@Terminal\_Insanity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terminal_Insanity)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2872 "2019-08-31T19:59:33Z")
I think they are just more risky with what they’re willing to try to hit the headlines. They cant make headlines anymore with large playercount fights, because there isnt enough players left for that. They wanted the headlines to say “Oldest MMO shakes things up and its old players are mad! now is the perfect time to join eveonline Get in on the NEW ground floor!!!” They’re more willing to risk their player base now that higher ups have emotionally detached themselves enough to even consider a sale. They dont want to destroy the game. They want to save it, but they’re willing to be much more reckless about it. Headlines bring in players. And their bonuses depend on bringing in players. Cue the free skill month and nullsec wrecking ball ---
**Author:** ![Chupa-Chups\_Haginen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chupa-chups_haginen/32/265908_2.png) [@Chupa-Chups\_Haginen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chupa-Chups_Haginen)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2873 "2019-08-31T20:10:47Z")
I agree with you. nothing good for the players. everything is just bad. politics must be changed otherwise the game will die ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2874 "2019-08-31T22:14:32Z")
> [@Terminal\_Insanity](#): > > Headlines bring in players You are so right but what they are doing is only going to garner poor headlines. EG; - CCP sells out to PA. - CCP tries to shake things in Eve up with changes that drive many players to join and form Larger and Larger groups in an effort to maintain some sort of active game play. - Many of these changes only contribute to the current issue of stagnancy in what used to be the primary battlegrounds for the game. - Eve Online’s history of Poor new player retention is being overshadowed with the amount of existing long term players reducing the amount of accounts they run and generally being online less. ---
**Author:** ![bigfatbird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bigfatbird/32/145787_2.png) [@bigfatbird](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bigfatbird)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2875 "2019-08-31T22:45:37Z")
Tbh the longer this Chaos era continues the less I believe it has anything to do with stagnation, ‘game health’ or generating content. It’s purely a way to polish numbers and reach the defined targets set out by PA. **Blackout** is making it harder to PvE in null, so they hope more people will switch to buying and selling plexes in order to maintain their PVP. **Cyno changes** make it necessary to train up alts inside a timeframe that is too short to do it ‘the old fashioned way’ hence the hope players will buy injectors ( and then there conveniently is a -15% discount injector sale till 1st of September) It’s all about quarterly revenue targets. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2876 "2019-08-31T23:15:22Z")
And the only thing they will succeed in doing is getting the game shut ---
**Author:** ![Nidnoi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nidnoi/32/156334_2.png) [@Nidnoi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nidnoi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2877 "2019-08-31T23:29:46Z")
CCP F.U.B.A.R ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2878 "2019-09-01T00:21:27Z")
You cannot see it as you are only looking at what is happening to null, lo-sec and hi have a lot more people in them now, mineral prices are climbing and its looking up. Yes they maybe loosing Null players who plex but this has been happening for a long time, thats why the plex price is so high. BO and soon the cyno changes are the best things to happen to EvE in years. ---
**Author:** ![Chequrself](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chequrself/32/244301_2.png) [@Chequrself](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chequrself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2879 "2019-09-01T00:25:28Z")
Mark you cannot see it mate - The game only stays open while it is financially viable to do so. Losing players increases the risk of game closure. - Sandbox changes on this level can happen anywhere, when the only players left are those in high-sec or wormholes where do you think they will happen next? Mate you are too bought into this being a good idea that you can’t stand back and ask yourself the questions: > [@Chequrself](#): > > The questions I have for you are: > > - What do you think is going to happen if numbers keep declining at their current rate? > - What happens when something as polarising and disenfranchising as the blackout occurs in other regions of space and the same type of exodus occurs? ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2880 "2019-09-01T00:32:59Z")
But what are the actual numbers of paying customers? How many of those who log in are paying customers? Was CCP telling the truth that they got the most unique numbers in 5 years? What is the current effect WOW classic is having? As to sandbox changes, it was the changes to null over the last 15 years of making the risk vs reward so out of whack that has caused the major loss of players, fixing it will lose them some entitled players but will hopefully bring back others. It is not the numbers of players that matter, it is the number of customers who pay for their accounts and buy plexes with real money that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Chequrself](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chequrself/32/244301_2.png) [@Chequrself](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chequrself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2881 "2019-09-01T00:38:16Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > It is not the numbers of players that matter, it is the number of customers who pay for their accounts and buy plexes with real money that matters. What you are missing champ is that money exchanges hands for every account save alpha’s. Plex generates income through the initial purchase of it. And I can definitely confirm that there are now four less actual cash paying subscriptions not being renewed. Mine. Alphas can only run one instance of eve per computer so I think they will account for a very small amount of the population. > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > As to sandbox changes, it was the changes to null over the last 15 years of making the risk vs reward so out of whack that has caused the major loss of players, fixing it will lose them some entitled players but will hopefully bring back others. Your hopes aren’t being fulfilled. Go here [EVE-Offline :: EVE-Online Status monitor](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) check for yourself > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > But what are the actual numbers of paying customers? > How many of those who log in are paying customers? See my opening paragraph. > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > Was CCP telling the truth that they got the most unique numbers in 5 years? When I play with the timelines on the link above that statement doesn’t appear to hold water to me so I don’t understand how they are measuring that. > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > What is the current effect WOW classic is having? Really? What is the effect that free skillpoint are having? ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2882 "2019-09-01T00:42:19Z")
Except you have not really answered anything, because you cannot. We do not have access to the figures that are needed. As to Alphas becoming paying customers, until they ARE paying customers, they are a cost. You are speculating and using it as cause for an argument, when all we know is what CCP has told us. ---
**Author:** ![Chequrself](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chequrself/32/244301_2.png) [@Chequrself](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chequrself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2883 "2019-09-01T00:46:50Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > As to Alphas becoming paying customers, until they ARE paying customers, they are a cost. Mate I never said alpha’s were paying customers. I said they were the only ones that didn’t pay and assumed that because they can only run one instance of eve per computer that they would be a small proportion of logins. > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > You are speculating and using it as cause for an argument, when all we know is what CCP has told us. Mate I am relying on live data from the website I keep linking. CCP have not provided anyway to verify their data so you are in fact merely relying on hearsay to support your argument. > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > Except you have not really answered anything, because you cannot. I think I answered more than you have and have also posed questions which you seem unwilling to contemplate because your not sure you will like the answers. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2884 "2019-09-01T00:54:37Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > BO and soon the cyno changes are the best things to happen to EvE in years. Of course it is, there is nothing like a company that is prepared to throw 30% or more of its long time players under a bus. The “best thing to happen to Eve in years” may be the last thing the current leadership does before cleaning out their desks.,. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2885 "2019-09-01T00:56:31Z")
> [@Chequrself](#): > > The questions I have for you are: > > - What do you think is going to happen if numbers keep declining at their current rate? > - What happens when something as polarising and disenfranchising as the blackout occurs in other regions of space and the same type of exodus occurs? The reason I did not answer these questions is: The first one, no one but CCP knows how many paying customers are leaving There is not yet evidence of CCP doing things other than correcting their mistakes of the past, so far. So this is a hypothetical with no basis. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2886 "2019-09-01T00:57:27Z")
> [@Chequrself](#): > > Mate I am relying on live data from the website I keep linking. CCP have not provided anyway to verify their data so you are in fact merely relying on hearsay to support your argument. For the number of paying customers, that website provides NO DATA. So you might as well be showing a graph of candy bar sales in Alaska. ---
**Author:** ![Chequrself](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chequrself/32/244301_2.png) [@Chequrself](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chequrself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2887 "2019-09-01T00:57:39Z")
So still no answer. K thanks for the open conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2888 "2019-09-01T01:00:05Z")
Again why and how would I answer questions with no basis or data? That is what is wrong with your arguments, they present no data, they are built on what you want them to say. Meanwhile, the biggest factor, that CCP is a business and is still doing this, does not enter your argument at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/2889 "2019-09-01T01:01:20Z")
CCP threw a lot more customers under the bus, every time it boosted Null Secs rewards over every other sector. This is just a repair job, to try and get some of those players back. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=140) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=142)