# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/357 "2019-07-20T08:17:43Z")
The way you’ve been doing it sure is. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/362 "2019-07-20T08:24:42Z")
See, that’s better. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/is_lah_ravin/32/263768_2.png) [@IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/IS_LAH_RAVIN)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/363 "2019-07-20T08:26:06Z")
I try to please, my lord ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Ambulance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_ambulance/32/48290_2.png) [@Black\_Ambulance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Ambulance)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/364 "2019-07-20T08:37:56Z")
Please lock this already useless thread , there is no constructive posts to be read. Tia ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/365 "2019-07-20T08:48:27Z")
> [@IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](#): > > You have an uniformed opinion of what is done in Null, there are no automated intel BOT’s Technically speaking those that reported just on local no longer work so if that is what you meant then you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/366 "2019-07-20T09:51:31Z")
And all de. Why not put into the game facilities installed at the entrance and exit of the VH, giving the opportunity to conduct ships of any number and tonnage? VH advocates can kill her and thereby defend themselves. Of course, small groups can not, but they can organize themselves. Die or adapt! There will be a lot of pvp and it will be fun! ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/367 "2019-07-20T09:54:36Z")
I’ve got mixed feelings for this change. I like both worlds - I like to build stuff and I like to blow up stuff, and I love the Submarinewarfare in Wormholes. So, let’s cmompare Nullsec with Wormholes: Wormhole: -“Delayed” Local -only a fixed amount of Mass can fit through a Wormhole depending on the WH-Size -No Stargates -Wormhole Entries collpase after a specific amount of Mass or Time and spawn somewhere else -High Risk, High Reward Ratting, especially Class 5 & 6 Wormholes (2b+ isk/h with a Dread fittet for 6b) -Hard to Locate -You can’t jump into a WH with a Jump Drive -No Supercapitals -Moongoo Nullsec: -Has Stargates -Supercapitals -Moderate to High Risk, Low Reward Ratting (Compared to J-Space Ratting) 200m isk/h with a 20b+ Ship -Moongoo -Easy to reach with Cynos -Cloaky Camping -Enemy can bring in infinite reinforcements I can understand that people are angry, since pretty much every Nerf in the last few years affected only Players living in Null. Supercapital Ratting is pretty much pointless compared to Dread-Ratting in J-Space. Risking 20 Billion ISK for 200 mio isk/h compared to 6 billion ISK for 2 BILLION+ ISK/h is just a joke, especially with the broken Drifters in Null at the Moment. Also, people who are living in J-Space don’t need to worry about getting hotdroped, and cloaky camping is already a pest in Nullsec without a real Countermechanic. I’m an Industrialist, and I do 95% of my crabbing by daytripping to empty Wormholes, so this event won’t affect me, but I can understand the anger from the Miners/Ratters. If this Event will be permanent I fear that this great game might loose 50% of the Playerbase and will die eventually. As an Event only however I think this will be great. Sincerly, Renegade Void ---
**Author:** ![Ophelia\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ophelia_dallocort/32/138260_2.png) [@Ophelia\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ophelia_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/368 "2019-07-20T10:37:30Z")
#MakeLocalGreatAgain ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/369 "2019-07-20T10:52:46Z")
CCP will be losing players and money if they dont stop this crap and dont go back to normal. They may need data, well, the data they got out of this 1st week should be plenty to tell them they are complete morons and should never even have thought of this in the first place ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Ivanova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_ivanova/32/145864_2.png) [@Lily\_Ivanova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Ivanova)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/370 "2019-07-20T11:07:38Z")
CCP you will die in blackout ---
**Author:** ![Jaiden\_Solo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaiden_solo/32/511854_2.png) [@Jaiden\_Solo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaiden_Solo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/371 "2019-07-20T11:18:31Z")
I fail to see how my post broke any community rules. Some people are very sad. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/372 "2019-07-20T11:34:26Z")
> [@IS\_LAH\_RAVIN](#): > > You have an uniformed opinion of what is done in Null, there are no automated intel BOT’s Only because from a technical standpoint, reading from chat logs isn’t an EULA violation. Even if it was, CCP would then have to figure out rules around 3rd party access, i.e., not causing massive bans due to anti-virus or backup program doing an fopen() ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Aldeland](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_aldeland/32/408315_2.png) [@Jerry\_Aldeland](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Aldeland)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/373 "2019-07-20T11:57:15Z")
unsubbed 3 accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/374 "2019-07-20T12:16:15Z")
a lot of people gave up posting as they would just get crap posts from the 1337 pvp players about how nothing is wrong with he blackout because they live behind a blue blob and an umbrella. a few people still posting on reddit and other forums still but even then its alot of 1337 pvp spam replies to any one againsed the blackout. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/375 "2019-07-20T12:35:47Z")
It must get tiresome being a perpetual victim. In-game, and now on the forums, on Reddit, etc. Have you ever considered taking charge of your own life, be it the virtual one or otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Maxim\_Gorkij](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxim_gorkij/32/394290_2.png) [@Maxim\_Gorkij](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxim_Gorkij)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/376 "2019-07-20T12:38:04Z")
> [@Migorn](#): > > a lot of people gave up posting as they would just get crap posts from the 1337 pvp players about how nothing is wrong with he blackout because they live behind a blue blob and an umbrella. Yup. That’s the main reason I stopped discussing. The eternal juvenile repetitious howling of “caaarebeeear”, “love the ssssalt” etc. ye and there’s the “victim” label as well - gee wiz. it’s so damn boring to try to get a sane discussion with 20 replies like that between each rational reply, you’d think EVE made the larger parts of 20-30 old adults instantly timewarp back to highschool. It’s almost reddit level sometimes. There’s no hope for humanity. Reptile brain/highschool brain. Take your pick. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/377 "2019-07-20T12:50:05Z")
We’re currently 2k above last week, and 1k PCU _above_ the week before the Blackout, even with the numbers for this time on Jun 29. How confident are you that CCP’s _losing_ money? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/378 "2019-07-20T13:14:49Z")
Add summer slump to this, and you would almost expect the numbers to be even lower. I wish I could see CCP’s stats when it comes to how long people are logged in, how much they’re undocking and so on, but given the way a _lot_ botting space is reportedly empty but the PCU is pretty high, it’s very tempting to say Blackout’s being something of a success. I really do wonder what their stats will show in a few weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/379 "2019-07-20T13:16:46Z")
Yep. I only wish they’d give us the data so we can pour over it. They really haven’t had a quant since… Quant. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/380 "2019-07-20T13:21:38Z")
Of course high. For example, I had an omega yesterday at the viola, of course I did not prolong it. I went in, took a free CP on the stock and went out. Call in the game? Sunset And many have done so. For me, the principle is simple, do not like the game-vote wallet. Not listened-voice-kicked. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=19)