# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3970 "2019-09-16T23:53:22Z")
No, I’m not missing the similarity at all. What I’m saying is that while your small group may have benefited by _changing_ play styles, you did not see a more level playing field against other, larger groups who undertake the _same_ activities. You didn’t. You may have made more money than you did prior to the Blackout, but that doesn’t mean you were suddenly more competitive against the people whose space you were raiding. You’re not their competitors. You’re an occupational hazard, a ‘cost of doing business’. Just like they’re not _your_ competitors. They, in fact, are just a ‘cost of doing business’ for you: if they catch you, they’ll blow you up. That’s it. Your _competitors_ are other groups doing the same thing you’re doing, and a group that had more people available to keep more combat pilots on overwatch while you mined, or more people to spread the d-scanning between while they clear more sites in the same amount of time, would have been doing better. And I say that because _I was you_. I started off in a small HS corp, and eventually we went out ninja mining and ratting in space that belonged to other people. We had to watch our asses all the time. And the people whose space we were raiding? They were never our competition. They were just the guys whose houses we were burgling. As for ‘which draws more subs?’… CCP ended the Blackout. That should tell you something about that. ---
**Author:** ![Elwha\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elwha_lynx/32/246048_2.png) [@Elwha\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elwha_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3971 "2019-09-16T23:58:24Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > It’s perceived as a disaster by those that couldn’t or wouldn’t adapt. > > The fact still remains that perfect intel allows the opportunity for perfect safety. > > A watered down or incursion based version of the blackout should still be considered by CCP, to keep null sec dwellers on their toes and occasionally tip the balance of the isk-risk a little more towards the risk side . Agree. And despite poor arguments from extremes that will no doubt follow, it’s hard to imagine that CCP can consider returning the grossly disproportionate high isk flows versus risk that came with local. An environment where a new player could be recruited to NS and in a few months be running multiple rorqs, for no direct subscription to CCP, and contributing to the game wrecking glut in super caps. To make it worse they could do it while barely playing the game as they watched a movie, worked a full time job etc. There’s plenty to fix in Eve, and I think CCP recognizes that-- perfect intel across local and feeds to many out of game sites is one of the larger ones they still need to fix. ---
**Author:** ![Felyza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felyza/32/161075_2.png) [@Felyza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felyza)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3972 "2019-09-16T23:59:17Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > CCP ended the Blackout. That should tell you something about that. This is the Era of Chaos. I don’t think we’ve seen the end of things yet. As for the cost of doing business on both sides, that’s just it… it offset that enough that new gameplay options opened up. For a LOT of people. You’re dismissing that in the end, this is a game, and involves gameplay. Yes, it caused drastic changes to the politics, because status quo changed. People in politics are always up in arms about change. Look at upwells. Look at loss of sticks. Look at cynos. Sure, it changes their game play, and just adds a layer of depth that now has to be accounted for. For the rest of us, it opens lots of new possibilities for things to do we couldn’t do before. The occupational hazard and cost of doing business changed in our favor, for the first time in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3973 "2019-09-16T23:59:38Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You’re not their competitors. You’re an occupational hazard, a ‘cost of doing business’. I miss being an “occupational hazard”. So be it. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3974 "2019-09-17T00:08:47Z")
> [@Felyza](#): > > The occupational hazard and cost of doing business changed in our favor, for the first time in a long time. Sure. The terrain shifted to benefit any given playstyle to a different degree than it formerly had. But the login numbers (which, as I broke down upthread, are decidedly _not_ accounted for by the bot bans) were in free-fall. CCP devs’ statements off-camera at Berlin have made it very clear this was a step taken because it had to be, not because they wanted to. Hopefully, the bleeding stops, and activity and subs goes back up now. There definitely need to be options to allow for ‘raiding party’ style PvE. But based on the numbers we can see, and the reaction from CCP that we _did_ see, this wasn’t the way to do that. Giving players options—ways to secure space that can be countered—might provide that avenue _without_ CCP opening up their own veins again. ---
**Author:** ![Sroak\_Enaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sroak_enaka/32/378029_2.png) [@Sroak\_Enaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sroak_Enaka)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3975 "2019-09-17T00:09:01Z")
So, back to the lame Null play, zombie mind numbing playland oh, well. ---
**Author:** ![Sirius\_Deinhardt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sirius_deinhardt/32/156779_2.png) [@Sirius\_Deinhardt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sirius_Deinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3976 "2019-09-17T00:22:04Z")
I liked the blackout. Bring it back. ---
**Author:** ![Frolicking\_Fairy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frolicking_fairy/32/200945_2.png) [@Frolicking\_Fairy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frolicking_Fairy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3977 "2019-09-17T00:30:43Z")
bring back blackout or at least just do constellation chat as instant but not local. ---
**Author:** ![lepro\_incin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lepro_incin/32/272033_2.png) [@lepro\_incin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lepro_incin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3978 "2019-09-17T00:44:15Z")
as someone who lives in norway I have to ask will you stop comparing a bunch of crying 100% safe space loving nullsec corps to norway its a bad analogy, your points though long winded and with some semblance of forethought are one sided you rely on the stagnation and safe space BS we get it… ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3979 "2019-09-17T01:02:39Z")
> a massive impact on those we believe to be suspected of botting Undocking a pve boat in nullsec = suspected of botting? What the actual puck, CCP? You indeed caused a massive impact on anyone trying to undock a pve boat in nullsec, are we all botting suspects now? I’m not returning just yet. Not until the apology for this gets better wording than botting accusations for everyone in a pve ship. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3980 "2019-09-17T01:07:14Z")
> [@Sroak\_Enaka](#): > > So, back to the lame Null play, zombie mind numbing playland oh, well. What do you mean? That ends with blackout. Though it’ll take some time to repopulate the zombieland which became of non-umbrella nullsec (some regions lost mining almost completely, for example), but mindnumbing dscan spam and gatewatch is done at least. ---
**Author:** ![lepro\_incin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lepro_incin/32/272033_2.png) [@lepro\_incin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lepro_incin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3981 "2019-09-17T01:08:52Z")
ye back to 100% safety for you… how quaint and safe and pathetic ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3982 "2019-09-17T01:11:37Z")
It was never 100% safety for me - look at killboards, people get killed in nullsec all the time, how is that “100% safety”. Removing blackout removed only one thing - 100% safety for YOU. Which you are crying about like a whiny little ditch. What can I say, if you are too afraid to come when it’s not 100% safe, cry me a retriever. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3983 "2019-09-17T01:13:48Z")
Also, to everyone who subbed for this and was predictably had by CCP, “roamed” empty non-umbrella nullsec and got shrekt by umbrellas, **you will not be missed**. You can start crying and unsubbing because it’s no longer 100% safe to ganktard on people. ---
**Author:** ![lepro\_incin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lepro_incin/32/272033_2.png) [@lepro\_incin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lepro_incin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3984 "2019-09-17T01:26:00Z")
100% safety for me hahaha the guy going up to null with maybe 1 mate vs established corps who live there rofl… no not really dude it leveled it to the point where I could be a threat to guys like you I could get to your systems without being tracked for several jumps by station docked alts and having a blob and bubble waiting on the gate But you now have your effortless station docked intel back anyway. You guys make me laugh you have the audacity to call folk in high sec care bears but when those same folk come from high sec and have the ability to get to your systems and gank you, you all cry like kids its hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3985 "2019-09-17T01:29:33Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I’m not returning just yet. Please stay out. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3986 "2019-09-17T01:40:35Z")
No  ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3987 "2019-09-17T01:41:10Z")
> [@lepro\_incin](#): > > the audacity I have the audacity to call people who only come to gank when it’s 100% safe ganktards, like they deserve, because when it’s not 100% safe, they start crying about “perfect intel” and “bubble” and “blob”, as if those haven’t been around during blackout, with people sitting on gates watching (“perfect intel”) and camping even more (whereas you could have slipped through 90% of the time before, because people won’t usuall form for a single ganktard who’s gonna run like a spooked pussycat from literally anything that is not a barge). Local changes literally nothing except it removes your ability to linger cloaked for days undetected waiting for 100% safe opportunity to kill that barge. And just because it ain’t free and 100% safe anymore, you’re crying me a river. You’re a self-entitled ganktarding piece of a horrible eve player, HTFU. ---
**Author:** ![lepro\_incin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lepro_incin/32/272033_2.png) [@lepro\_incin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lepro_incin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3988 "2019-09-17T01:43:32Z")
the more you cry the more you prove my point waaaa waaaaa I dont want to play if i cant have my safe space the bad boys from high sec keep bullying me waaaaaa wwaaaaaaa waaaa its hilarious ! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/3989 "2019-09-17T01:45:09Z")
Oh god, you made Orca start posting again. You fool! You mad, mad, Norwegian fool, you! (Also, no, I don’t rely on stagnation. I’ve offered up a number of ways to break it up, starting with 'delete or radically alter supercapitals to remove the need for massive super fleets and the risk aversion that comes with that necessity.) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=194) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=196)