# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/422 "2019-07-20T22:45:51Z")
LOL. Dont go there as I play chess competitively and I will beat you ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/423 "2019-07-20T22:46:21Z")
apparently not, as you dont understand the concept of being forced to make a move… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/424 "2019-07-20T22:46:49Z")
do you see it yet? where you are failing? ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/425 "2019-07-20T22:47:25Z")
the blackout is not forcing us to do anything. It is just creating unnecessary drama ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/426 "2019-07-20T22:47:27Z")
then you are playing the wrong game. ---
**Author:** ![Dorky\_McJerkohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dorky_mcjerkohan/32/149951_2.png) [@Dorky\_McJerkohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dorky_McJerkohan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/427 "2019-07-20T22:47:37Z")
Thanks for the feedback, Xuxe. I’m certain you did not intend to, but you have proven the point I was trying to make fantastically (much better and more efficiently than my original post did). Someone disagreed with you, and your nearly instant response was animosity, ridicule, and misquoting. One last point before I move on with my own life is that I truly hope that posting in the forums is not “screaming impotently into the void” as you put it. Players only have a few methods of providing feedback and the forums is the easiest method of providing it to CCP. Fly safe! o7 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/428 "2019-07-20T22:48:16Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > the blackout is not forcing us to do anything SO… wtf u bitching about mate want some f’in cheese with that WWWHHHIIINNNEEEE ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/429 "2019-07-20T22:48:25Z")
If they even bother reading ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/430 "2019-07-20T22:50:51Z")
We have all better things to be doing than dealing with drama created by CCP and whoever had this “genius” idea. We have enough drama on our own without the worst idea in the history of EVE for the wine and cheese, please do send it over. Love Bordeaux red 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/431 "2019-07-20T22:53:15Z")
its not about reading its about seeing what your posting an taking it from there; i thought id try one more time to explain a tactical, strategic game to you; but apparently you… A. dont have any real issue other than a little drama AND B. understand several concepts of strategic and tactical gameplay. AND IN SO CLOSING it is safe to assume you do not want fair game play or equal game play challenging gameplay… or so much more what you want… what you really really want is a game on cheat mode where you can easily make lots of money and pretend your good with no actual effort Tell me; in all your years of playing chess - did that ever make a good game? So basically it is you, YOU… creating drama for no good reason. isnt logic great 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/432 "2019-07-20T22:59:20Z")
Blackout has nothing to do with fairplay or equal game play or challenging gameplay You want all those 3 items? Have CCP ban all 2nd accounts and all alts… If you think no one is putting any effort in living in sov null or npc null for that matter, you have no idea. And as I said, dont go there on chess, you stand no chance vs me 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/433 "2019-07-20T23:02:20Z")
> [@Dorky\_McJerkohan](#): > > Thanks for the feedback, Xuxe. I’m certain you did not intend to, but you have proven the point I was trying to make Ah, except what you think is your highly insightful “point” is just the same rubbish spewed by so many before you. > [@Dorky\_McJerkohan](#): > > …and misquoting. Oh, that’s what you were saying with the spin cleaned off. > [@Dorky\_McJerkohan](#): > > I truly hope that posting in the forums is not “screaming impotently into the void” as you put it. heh…aren’t you adorable. Thought you said you’ve been around EvE a while? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/434 "2019-07-20T23:05:23Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > all of us in sov null and probably NPC null, we have plenty of reasons to fight each other We really don’t. If it’s Ore? Ore anomalies infinitely respawn in all of our systems. If it’s Isk? Same thing with combat anomalies. If it’s Ice? We all have several systems with plenty of Ice in them. If it’s PI? Again, plenty of planets, more than enough PI. If it’s Salvage? All rats give basic salvage, and the specific racial types we just import from Jita. If it’s T2 modules? Sure, maybe one or two moon goo isn’t available, but everything else is. There really isn’t any reason in-game for why people in null fight. This is the reason why almost every fight for the last 2 years have been mostly just deployments for “content”. It’s because everyone is bored and desperately trying to come up with a reason to fight. > [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > when command gives the order, there will be a fight This is optimistic, but ultimately misguided. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/435 "2019-07-20T23:17:01Z")
Will have to disagree with you. Plenty of dislike, hate and wish for revenge has been built the past 16 years, whether it is at the corporate, alliance or coalition level. Even new corporations/alliances living now in null have their own enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/436 "2019-07-20T23:24:19Z")
And you’ve got to remember that the free SP they’re giving out doesn’t even need you to select a character. If you weren’t logging in anyway, you’re probably not logging on long enough to show up on the ‘online’ list for more than 30 seconds. > [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > As explained in the Imperium article, all of us in sov null and probably NPC null, we have plenty of reasons to fight each other and dont need CCP to tell us when to fight or to force us to fight. Or to tells us when to undock or give us a reason to undock. Every corp, every alliance, every coalition has a target (usually more than one), so when forces are ready to go, when command gives the order, there will be a fight Please don’t go citing my writing if you don’t understand it. Yes, we have reasons to fight. That’s not the same as reasons to undock, and it’s not the same as a willingness to fight against overpowering force. We have reasons to shoot one another. We don’t have reasons to be willing to _get shot_. And you need both. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/437 "2019-07-20T23:26:20Z")
And that is a good and fair point as well. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/438 "2019-07-21T00:29:13Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > Plenty of dislike, hate and wish for revenge has been built the past 16 years, whether it is at the corporate, alliance or coalition level. This used to be the meme, probably back in like 2016, but has long since died out after the introduction of Citadels, Rorquals, and capital proliferation. People don’t do things for “revenge” or “dislike” or “hate” anymore. You have to realize that like, most alliances’ upper command channels are (fairly) good friends with other upper command members from other nullsec alliances. Many who’ve been playing the game for decades and know each other fairly well or have even met in person at irl EVE events. You may have one or two salty individuals, but the fact of the matter is _every_ alliance that has tried to start something based on “revenge” or “hate” and the like have all died. Probably the most prominent example in recent time was Circle of Two, who decided to say “Screw the blue donut, we’re gonna put content first!” and went on a mad rampage for about a week, before being internally killed off by The Judge. Alliances don’t live based on revenge anymore. Sure, you’ll have some ill-feelings towards another, but that doesn’t matter. The reality of the game at this point is pretty obvious. There’s really no reason to fight anymore. You can hate someone all you want, but is your hate enough to suffer almost a month’s worth of off-time Structure and Sov grinds? Even simple the simple Astrahus takes ONE WEEK to kill, assuming the timers all come out on a good time (and not, for example, 4am on a Tuesday work week). Let alone core structures like Fortizars, Ihubs timers, and even Keepstars. I’d love to be proven wrong, but sadly, if there were an alliance that still operated on revenge and hate, they’re doomed to fall into irrelevance _very_ quickly. ---
**Author:** ![DocSalvage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/docsalvage/32/148953_2.png) [@DocSalvage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DocSalvage)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/439 "2019-07-21T00:50:42Z")
Ditto! Null is swarming with PVPers having a blast! But us PVEers are sitting waiting for the new norm to evolve… Can’t mine (bombers even targeting Augmented mining drones now, only T2s safe)…who wants to risk Rorq for 40M an hour with T2s…Pfffft Can’t PI - not safe to visit Planets/POCOs Can’t run Abyssal sites - stupid trace on UI is a beacon…Combat scan you down and wait… Can’t rat…obvious Can’t move between stations in system with freighters to reprocess, production, move cap parts, etc… Can’t move your caps/freighters between systems via gates… I won eve, joined GSF, found best ever Indy corp, trained 3 Rorq pilots…started building caps…life was great…did my PVP PAPs & fought in wars, then the Blackout…haven’t played since…log in to get my free SP…may havta move to HiSec to “safely” run Abyssal Sites… If what I have experienced in GSF to date, the new sucky Null Meta for above PVE ain’t gonna change unless CCP gives us structures to expose local. This change has certainly helped other MMOs, I started playing one again actrvely (WOT), and just bought subs to two more (ESO and NMS) for my PVE MMO fix. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/440 "2019-07-21T01:11:29Z")
> [@DocSalvage](#): > > Can’t move between stations in system with freighters to reprocess, production, move cap parts, etc… What? That’s all on-grid together. You can look for bubbles. You go straight tether-to-tether. What’re you smoking? And you’re not risking a Rorq. Seriously, have a cyno, be minimally aware, and be ready to get in the cover fleet and jump into Theta comms. Your Rorqual is in absolutely no danger. You’re sitting there ‘waiting for the new norm to evolve’? It’s already evolved. Use the Mining Drone IIs, you’re still making more money than sitting on your butt docked up. Want to run the abyss? Run it. Run it in 1dq, right on the keepstar grid. Chill out on comms with everyone else. If someone jumps you when you come out, speak up, get in fleet, and watch the bored cover fleet warp over on whoever tried it. You have friends. **Use** them. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/441 "2019-07-21T01:42:25Z")
I must have misread what you wrote, you’re a member of a large Eve Alliance / GSF and they don’t provide any backing for their Indy corps? Thought the whole idea of the Null Sec Local Blackout was to generate more Fleet Ops. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=22)