# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 216
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4392 "2019-09-24T00:47:55Z")
> [@Xialis](#): > > additional risk to PvE Not so much ‘risk’ as a count down untill some cov ops cloaked ganker appears. The only real counter play being to have yet another alt to sit cloaked on the gate. If you think ‘Carebears’ should put up with such garbage just so you can enjoy free kills theres something verry wrong with you. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4393 "2019-09-24T00:50:12Z")
> [@Xialis](#): > > Nah, it introduced additional risk to PvE making the carebears wet the bed. I rest my case. > [@Xialis](#): > > Well, isn’t that convenient! I didn’t counter everything you didn’t list so I must be wrong! No, it just means you can’t add anything else to the list because you have no clue. Hint: there is more! > [@Xialis](#): > > I want them to be harder to kill, but easier to actually engage. Fit some PvP mods, fight back! Now it’s just dock up and wait until the bad guys go away. BS, what you want is a cake and it’s not gonna happen, honestly Xialis… there is always a way to kill PVE in Null… please see the killboards. > [@Xialis](#): > > Do you work in a salt-mine? You’re due a promotion for how much raw salt you’re producing! You have no point. Truth can be a hard rock to swallow. You just need an easier way because you fail where many others succeed, that’s all. Tell you what… go and sleep it off… come back with a real point and then discuss with someone else, really. Don’t waste it. ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4394 "2019-09-24T00:53:42Z")
Well i will undock and kick your butt is what i was trying to say. Ofcourse that’s also not much fun for you if you fit all your ships like that Praxis you lost the other day 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4395 "2019-09-24T00:53:59Z")
> [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](#): > > Not so much ‘risk’ as a count down untill some cov ops cloaked ganker appears. > The only real counter play being to have yet another alt to sit cloaked on the gate. > If you think ‘Carebears’ should put up with such garbage just so you can enjoy free kills theres something verry wrong with you. Nice ad-hominem at the end there! If it’s inenvitable that a cloaked ship will attack you, perhaps give a little thought into how to counter that. Wouldn’t be a free kill then would it? Git gud yourself! But instant local is back and with it, its free get out of PvP button. ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4396 "2019-09-24T00:57:01Z")
Like bringing a cyno so i can call my 200 friends who sit on standby? You cry even more when i do that than about people docking up. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4397 "2019-09-24T00:59:28Z")
Where do you PvE/dock up in then? A Praxis I had no intention of docking up in again vs a Nyx, at least shooting at the cynabal was fun until he brought the supercarrier. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4398 "2019-09-24T01:01:46Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > So, if we put these arguments against the complexity required to implement such environmental but at the same time, selective and fine-tuned feature, my conclusion, based on the workload demonstrated by CCP in recent… well not so recent anymore… _years_ , is: > > It is not going to happen. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/e/8eb90b27afe8f98f27122ecbe52eb5ac8a28c169.jpeg "Classic Movie Line #19") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03JXTuFGYWE) ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4399 "2019-09-24T01:01:47Z")
Yes, you flew a buffer torp Praxis into the middle of Brave space - solo. Outstanding move. - i get the urge to fly battleships but thats pretty much why i do this kind of stuff in my home pocket to kick your butt rather than taking it under a foreign cap umbrella ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4400 "2019-09-24T01:12:21Z")
Brave space would be where I started…are you sure you parsed the killmail properly? That’s why I asked “where do **you** pve?” Where is your home pocket where you’ll kick my butt? Safe under your own cap umbrella too! Wouldn’t want to risk anything after all. ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4401 "2019-09-24T01:15:04Z")
![rdysssdd](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/0/f0128e0fc93bbad0aa16039444c9b6ed0d49cd9d.png) I solo PVP at home ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4402 "2019-09-24T01:54:17Z")
Well that’s a screen shot of a system, and a hyperion with 3? 30? Kills. “Borbarad\_Naglfar” doesn’t show up on zkill at all, nor are there any recent solo kills by a hyperion in that system. I guess it’s just “security measures” that render this claim unverifiiable. Risk avoidance yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4403 "2019-09-24T02:00:21Z")
well why don’t you risk a visit? ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4404 "2019-09-24T02:02:44Z")
Because I don’t know who I’m looking for on the instant local list. Or even if that is where you are. ---
**Author:** ![Atchiee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atchiee/32/122392_2.png) [@Atchiee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Atchiee)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4405 "2019-09-24T03:25:33Z")
BLACKOUT NO ! ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4406 "2019-09-24T04:41:25Z")
no risk no fun 😉 You are the one demanding that people should take **stupid** risks with their shiny ratting ships but you won’t even fly your littel Praxis 20 jumps to have a littel dance with me? Thats one risk averse gank-bear bagging for free kills but unwilling to put in some effort himself… ---
**Author:** ![Hammer\_Bell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hammer_bell/32/146437_2.png) [@Hammer\_Bell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hammer_Bell)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4407 "2019-09-24T05:21:10Z")
This is my alt, but there is a Null Sec Corp I dearly love. I log in each day for those people, mine where I have to, and kill opponents every time I can. Blackout killed my Null Sec Eve corp. None of us were botters. We had great fun with this game, and great comradery. But now most of them have let their accounts lapse, or have moved on to High Sec Corps. I just want to stop in all this and say CCP was wrong to do this. I had fun with what I had and the people I did it with. Now after 16 years of playing this game, I am wondering if once again I have to find a Corp to move to because something CCP has done. Improve the game but please stop ■■■■■■■ with it. ---
**Author:** ![Kristopher\_Arione](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kristopher_arione/32/333369_2.png) [@Kristopher\_Arione](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kristopher_Arione)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4408 "2019-09-24T05:59:43Z")
sure looks like CCP is reeling from the absolute massive amount of subs they’ve lost screwing with null and capitol pilots. bring back drones for carriers and old school gang links that keep agro off drones. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4409 "2019-09-24T07:38:56Z")
Again, I don’t know who I’m looking for as @Borbarad_Naglfar won’t be there. My Pvp ship is right here: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/8/48e0c60e15f2459e5e647fbdd8e60a76b0a84491.png) If you think ratting in a shiny ship that can’t defend itself is stupid, you’d be right. Perhaps try fitting it with a bit of defense. ---
**Author:** ![Gladwyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gladwyn/32/475559_2.png) [@Gladwyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gladwyn)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4410 "2019-09-24T14:02:27Z")
I liked blackout much and wished it would become standard. I understand pvers who want to continue to farms isks, but from pvp view it brought much more fun. Now it’s same as before… you enter a system, get reported via intel and everyone of the local null sec group knows about you, without any effort just by watching on the local. In general, i think its weird to have a “chat” as a core game mechanic… its a space game no a chat room. Anyway, as compromise, what about to have both, null sec regions with constant blackout (higher risk / more isk) and null sec regions without or have only short blackouts for 2-3 days and then the move to another region. ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/4411 "2019-09-24T14:03:41Z")
It’s still stupid because against 3, 4, T3C it just turns into a gank. Against a Bomber Fleet it turns into a gank. So whats the point? Nothing but giving you a free kill on a 3 bil rattlesnake. Hence a stupid, stupid, verry verry stupid risk. I bring a real PVP ready ship to those sites and you start crying about super caps again. You can bring an alt too - ill see you and ill undock - names don’t matter. but you’re too much of a risk averse pussybear to dare challange me on even grounds. You just want free ganks. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=215) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=217)