# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/442 "2019-07-21T01:55:13Z")
Какой нахуй опс? Если на лопаты прокидывают капы. С локалом в нулях было стремно копать, а сейчас это натуральный мазохизм. Убивают производство на корню. Неужели убийство лопат в нулях есть главная цель игроков EVE? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/443 "2019-07-21T02:04:41Z")
> [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > Какой нахуй опс? Если на лопаты прокидывают капы. С локалом в нулях было стремно копать, а сейчас это натуральный мазохизм. Убивают производство на корню. Неужели убийство лопат в нулях есть главная цель игроков EVE? Google Translate: > What the ■■■■ ops? If on shovels prokadyvayut caps. With a locale in zeros, it was dumb to dig, and now it is natural masochism. Kill production on the vine. Is killing shovels in zeros the main goal of EVE players? This is English forum, Russian language forum is here: > **[Форумы на русском языке](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/ru/17)** > > Раздел форума для общения русскоязычных пилотов. Anyway, if you’re in a super large Alliance that can’t or won’t provide Fleet Support for their Industrial Corps then it’s probably a good idea to join a different Alliance Corp. If it’s an issue of the combat Pilots not making any ISK, just give them a percentage of the profits for doing Guard Duty. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/444 "2019-07-21T02:06:13Z")
То есть вы поддерживаете идею, что бы богатые становились еще богаче, а бедные становились еще беднее? Только крупные альянсы имеют право на жизнь? ---
**Author:** ![DocSalvage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/docsalvage/32/148953_2.png) [@DocSalvage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DocSalvage)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/445 "2019-07-21T02:06:32Z")
> [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > Какой нахуй опс? Если на лопаты прокидывают капы. С локалом в нулях было стремно копать, а сейчас это натуральный мазохизм. Убивают производство на корню. Неужели убийство лопат в нулях есть главная цель игроков EVE? Sir I agree…this killed mining as we know it. Rorq with T2s making 40m per hour - how long do you need to risk your Rorq to make enough buy it back if you lose it? Assuming fully fit, what 6Bish…so that works out to say 150 hours of mining to make back cost of your Rorq. That is pretty depressing and demotivating. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/446 "2019-07-21T02:07:42Z")
К сожалению официальная ветка обсуждения данного обновления только в этой теме. Я английский не знаю. Будет официальная ветка обсуждения данного обновления на русском языке, буду писать там. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/447 "2019-07-21T02:13:51Z")
А эти опсы вообще смешны. Прилетают бомберы и тупо сгрызают экскаваторы. После чего улетают в туман. Вот неужели этого хотело CCP и игроки EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/449 "2019-07-21T02:41:23Z")
Я по моему ничего оскорбительного не написал. Почему мои сообщения были удалены? Это явное злоупотребление модератором своих прав. Видно, что пытаются пускать пыль в глаза, показывая, что большинство довольны последним обновлением. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/450 "2019-07-21T03:16:10Z")
You will not lose your bloody Rorqual. Do the _bare minimum_ to operate within the bounds of safe practices, and you’ll be absolutely fine. Or just get half a dozen guys with destroyers to sit in the deposit ready to fire off Defenders. You don’t need to stop _all_ the bombs, just most of the first wave, while you get the excavators in. Either way, the ‘new norm’ has already been developed while you’ve been sitting on your ass cowering. Christ, it’s almost like your main’s in Bovril or something. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/451 "2019-07-21T03:25:34Z")
Ну, вы, должно быть, использовали Google Translate, чтобы читать и отвечать на мой ответ, так почему бы не использовать его сейчас, чтобы оставлять свои комментарии? Seriously? Gonna abuse the flag system even more just because the reply was posted to another player in their native language? Obviously some people have no clue how to use Google Translate or they would have seen this message: > Well, you must have used Google Translate to read and answer my answer, so why not use it now to leave your comments? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/452 "2019-07-21T03:27:34Z")
And once again, whoever is doing it please stop abusing the flag option on posted replies that conform to Forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/453 "2019-07-21T03:31:37Z")
> [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > Я по моему ничего оскорбительного не написал. Почему мои сообщения были удалены? > Это явное злоупотребление модератором своих прав. Видно, что пытаются пускать пыль в глаза, показывая, что большинство довольны последним обновлением. For those of you who lack basic skills to do a little bit of google translate: > I have not written anything offensive to me. Why have my posts been deleted? > This is a clear abuse of the moderator of their rights. It is evident that they are trying to splurge, showing that most are pleased with the latest update. And so I replied in the players native language: > Я согласен с вами на все 100%. Это произошло совсем недавно. Лучше всего подать жалобу в Службу поддержки клиентов CCP. Если большее количество из нас сделает это, то CCP будет расследовать и, будем надеяться, забанить тех, кто злоупотребляет опцией флага. And so once again for those who are just too damn lazy or too pompous to do a quick google translate: > I agree with you 100%. This happened quite recently. It is best to file a complaint with CCP Customer Support. If more of us do this, then CCP will investigate and hopefully ban those who abuse the flag option. So now out of spitefulness the flag system is abused even more on replies that answer another player in their native language. Good job on showing community respect towards players from other nations. I’m sure ex CCP Guard would be proud to know that the ‘Eve Friendship’ is still flying high. 😑 ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/454 "2019-07-21T04:18:34Z")
Wew, someone smells like hypocrisy! ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/455 "2019-07-21T04:52:42Z")
I’ve got mixed feelings for this change. I like both worlds - I like to build stuff and I like to blow up stuff, and I love the Submarinewarfare in Wormholes. So, let’s cmompare Nullsec with Wormholes: Wormhole: -“Delayed” Local -only a fixed amount of Mass can fit through a Wormhole depending on the WH-Size -No Stargates -Wormhole Entries collpase after a specific amount of Mass or Time and spawn somewhere else -High Risk, High Reward Ratting, especially Class 5 & 6 Wormholes (2b+ isk/h with a Dread fittet for 6b) -Hard to Locate -You can’t jump into a WH with a Jump Drive -No Supercapitals -Moongoo Nullsec: -Has Stargates -Supercapitals -Moderate to High Risk, Low Reward Ratting (Compared to J-Space Ratting) 200m isk/h with a 20b+ Ship -Moongoo -Easy to reach with Cynos -Cloaky Camping -Enemy can bring in infinite reinforcements I can understand that people are angry, since pretty much every Nerf in the last few years affected only Players living in Null. Supercapital Ratting is pretty much pointless compared to Dread-Ratting in J-Space. Risking 20 Billion ISK for 200 mio isk/h compared to 6 billion ISK for 2 BILLION+ ISK/h is just a joke, especially with the broken Drifters in Null at the Moment. Also, people who are living in J-Space don’t need to worry about getting hotdroped, and cloaky camping is already a pest in Nullsec without a real Countermechanic. I’m an Industrialist, and I do 95% of my crabbing by daytripping to empty Wormholes, so this event won’t affect me, but I can understand the anger from the Miners/Ratters. If this Event will be permanent I fear that this great game might loose 50% of the Playerbase and will die eventually. As an Event only however I think this will be great. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/456 "2019-07-21T05:35:13Z")
I have to admit I subbed to see what my old account still had in null. Feel like I wasted $15 though. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/457 "2019-07-21T05:40:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Anything Falcon says will be taken as official. It’s unavoidable, because even when he’s off the clock, _anything_ he says as ‘CCP Falcon’ is being said _as a representative of CCP_ . He could just post on the forum with an alt account right? Or is that violate a CCP rule? ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/458 "2019-07-21T05:45:32Z")
> [@dewk](#): > > What’s sad is the number of players that never got taught or learnt how to use DSCAN. Directional scanning is over rated, with a 14 AU range and most tackle able to hit 4+ AU/s you really only get one pass on the d-scan before they’re on top of you. Mashing V perpetually just doesn’t seem like being much less of a chore than mining. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/459 "2019-07-21T06:05:45Z")
You should look up what NEAR2 is ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/460 "2019-07-21T06:08:18Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You will not lose your bloody Rorqual. Do the _bare minimum_ to operate within the bounds of safe practices, and you’ll be absolutely fine. > > Or just get half a dozen guys with destroyers to sit in the deposit ready to fire off Defenders. You don’t need to stop _all_ the bombs, just most of the first wave, while you get the excavators in. > > Either way, the ‘new norm’ has already been developed while you’ve been sitting on your ass cowering. Christ, it’s almost like your main’s in Bovril or something. You might though [Related Kills | K4-RFZ | 2019-07-21 02:00 | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/related/30004017/201907210200/) Of course is the player is awake/not a bot like the first two > **[Kikimora | Onictus | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/77937597/)** > > Onictus (SniggWaffe) lost their Kikimora in BX-VEX (Querious). Final Blow by StevieRay Dawn (Patriotic Tendencies) flying in a Nyx. Total Value: 379,819,597.14 ISK RIP sweet Kiki. ---
**Author:** ![Johnno\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnno_ormand/32/146076_2.png) [@Johnno\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnno_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/461 "2019-07-21T06:10:52Z")
CCP - 2 accounts unsubbed, im sick of the constant nerf bats. I play to be entertained not frustrated and annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![Zorg-Borg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zorg-borg/32/147159_2.png) [@Zorg-Borg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zorg-Borg)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/462 "2019-07-21T06:47:59Z")
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