# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HazeInADaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazeinadaze/32/115401_2.png) [@HazeInADaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HazeInADaze)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/44 "2019-07-18T20:47:00Z")
This is easily the single best update EvE has gotten since I started playing a decade ago. I joined this game because it was hard and because the greatness of a task is proportional to the struggle. I think for a long time CCP I’ve been sucked into the trap of making things easier to attract more players. Now they’ve gone and made things much harder and it’s the most engaging gameplay I’ve had in 10 years of EVE. Good job, CCP ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/45 "2019-07-18T20:50:06Z")
It’s not an update, it’s a test. There’s no guarantee that this will continue. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/46 "2019-07-18T20:50:51Z")
> [@Luka\_LAMARR](#): > > I am writing today to give my opinion on the current Blackout ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/3/a372475d65e5cde18f9d96b1c4e9d70914550eeb.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/47 "2019-07-18T20:54:37Z")
No local isn’t anti casual… it facilitates casual roaming like no other so people need to stop with that argument ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/48 "2019-07-18T21:00:35Z")
> [@Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/10387): > > But how many Nidhoggurs worth of ore were not mined before and after the blackout? How many officer mods were not collected by a ratter before and after the blackout? How many Rorquals were not deployed before and after the blackout? How many were more exposed before and after the blackout? How many Guristas LPs were not accumulated before and after the blackout? How many Serpentis Havens are still up because of the blackout, and will remain so because running them takes more brains and mo… First I want to start off by saying, that clearly you don’t live in Null if you’re asking many of these questions… I mean again, it’s not affecting Rorqals (which can mine as much as an entire fleet of barges) so I doubt that’s being affected. Mineral prices won’t change because you have these mining behemoths that are super hard to kill still bringing in tons of ore. The only thing that will be affected in large, are dead space modules and officer loot, as I can tell you the majority of 10/10’s that used to be auctioned off on the alliance trade chats have all but vanished, and only mildly replaced by 8/10’s b/c people are VNI ratting and doing 8/10 anoms… As for defending your space, unless you’re Goons, which I can tell you both from talking to quality roamers who have come into my space, as well as roaming myself it is nigh impossible to stop and trap roamers. Will you kill some? Of course, but will you get them all without a Boson on every gate…? No… All this has served to accomplish, is A. make it almost impossible to be in a smaller alliance, and I mean you literally have to be in a BIG BLOCK like Goons to still operate on the same lvl (which they are…) B. make eve like a job, where now instead of just showing up for hours to float around for CTA’s you’re having to float around for hours to defend your space, or work together to make money (heaven forbid you’re not all on the same TZ either…) and C. given small gangs 2-10 players a free pass to go anywhere and do anything anywhere anytime (outside of Delve)… ---
**Author:** ![Alexander\_Draegar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexander_draegar/32/317696_2.png) [@Alexander\_Draegar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexander_Draegar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/49 "2019-07-18T21:01:04Z")
Here’s my own simple opinion on the matter: it won’t kill off the bots. The bots don’t even bother checking local, not that this borderline caveman can tell. For small-time players like me, it’s harder to be a carebear in as many places as I’d like. Will it keep me from going and ratting? Not really, because I need to make isk to survive. On the other hand, if I were your typical hunter, I’d be going gay for CCP right here, right now. Guess there’s no need for CODE anymore when the easy pickings have suddenly shifted down south. :3 ---
**Author:** ![StonerPhReaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stonerphreak/32/391015_2.png) [@StonerPhReaK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StonerPhReaK)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/50 "2019-07-18T21:13:45Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > For the first time ever, you guys managed to hit the 10,000 post limit that Discourse has on threads, so the original thread is locked automatically. Just here to point out that LAGL broke it first. > [@The like and get likes thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-like-and-get-likes-thread/3802/13392): > > LAST POST - LEL Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/51 "2019-07-18T21:14:18Z")
Ive been flying around Null for an hour in an Orca, and I aint seen anyone ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/52 "2019-07-18T21:16:10Z")
I mean technically, it’s happened twice on two different threads, lol… so it’s actually at 20k… > [@Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935): > > Please note, this thread has reached the hard limit of 10,000 replies that our forum software allows in a single thread. [A new thread has been created here for you to continue discussion!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410) Original Thread: [As reported in The Scope](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpbLpKNQiUk), over the coming days we’ll be changing the way local chat works. This change will affect the whole of nullsec space. Local chat in all nullsec space will be switched over to delayed mode. This means that it will behave as local chat in wormhole space, with … > [@Blackout - Why is this a thing?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/blackout-why-is-this-a-thing/175194): > > I leave for a week and CCP completely breaks the game. Time to unsub all my accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/53 "2019-07-18T21:28:07Z")
people complaining about blackout be like “PLZ ccp i cannot run my bots in safety anymore!” ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/54 "2019-07-18T21:28:47Z")
and people saying stuff like this are normally in high-sec and don’t have any stake in the changes other than to troll 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/55 "2019-07-18T21:29:01Z")
For the love of god, you shoulda just let this thread stay dead from the salt that came from the first part. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/56 "2019-07-18T21:29:47Z")
Oh god, the forum pinged me, just to tell me that this thread has been started… **It hinting to something.** ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/57 "2019-07-18T21:29:56Z")
Except the endless materials and isk streaming in from null due to 24/7 safety bots and afkers. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/58 "2019-07-18T21:30:03Z")
oh wait… nope, you’re a goonie, so you just hide behind your titan wall and act like “why can’t the rest of eve adapt…_boson boson boson_” lmao ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/59 "2019-07-18T21:35:11Z")
I have said it to CCP before so I might as well haul out my standard. Specifically what is it that the Blackout is meant to fix or modify? By what measure and timeline will you have to know if it actually worked. What are acceptable losses (if any) that you are willing to experience to implement this fix? A guillotine solves migraines but that is one hell of a side effect. m ---
**Author:** ![Cicada\_Adacic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cicada_adacic/32/487434_2.png) [@Cicada\_Adacic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cicada_Adacic)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/60 "2019-07-18T21:36:33Z")
New player here, couple things black out has changed about Eve for me. 1. Adapting\> learned how to create jump clones; I doubled my ship hanger and set up a second place of operations in Hi Sec as Nullsec was getting a bit crazy. 2. More Plex\> yes, I skill injected to bring my skills on Main to a reasonable level that I would be a bit safer in a Loki / Rattlesnake. And did some research on fits and tactics to help my overall experience during blackout. 3. Created An Alt\> I learnt how to use an Alt for Cloaky Transport in and out of Nullsec as I was expecting alot more gatecamps. 4. Hunting\> although I have not had one kill in Nullsec during this blackout, I have learned how to hunt, but also how to be aware that I am also being hunted, and how to escape a mouse trap. Just a couple of things that a new player like myself has done while blackout has been in effect to help overall quality of life while gaming. NULLSEC has been pretty quite for me until Blackout, and it has forced me to be extra cautious and learn new strategies that I would otherwise not worry to much about. Blackout in my opinion is stimulation for new players like myself and is welcomed. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/61 "2019-07-18T21:40:07Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > Feel free to continue the discussion of the local blackout in this thread! I haven’t logged in since the changes and I operate in high security space when I do. I saw in our gaming group’s discord only two people in the eve channel. There were 7 in the Rust channel. Guess which game I ended up playing? It so frustrating that it took most of a decade to realise that wars were suffocating the playerbase. How much longer before this charade ends due to the exact same reason its safer to not log in for a week than to do, well, anything? ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/62 "2019-07-18T21:50:37Z")
> [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](#): > > I mean again, it’s not affecting Rorqals (which can mine as much as an entire fleet of barges) so I doubt that’s being affected. Mineral prices won’t change because you have these mining behemoths that are super hard to kill still bringing in tons of ore. Your description of Rorqual mining rates may have been true before the nerfs, but now Rorqs mine about 2.5 Hulks, I believe. If you consider two and a half Hulks a mining fleet, so be it, but… it’s not exactly a huge one. Also, the drone travel times can reduce that mining rate further. > [@StonerPhReaK](#): > > Just here to point out that LAGL broke it first. Aye… that she did, that she did. ---
**Author:** ![Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ichinumi_tsukaya/32/352415_2.png) [@Ichinumi\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ichinumi_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/63 "2019-07-18T21:50:55Z")
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