# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/684 "2019-07-22T22:07:22Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Last 4 or 5, I’ve seen way too many of them be absolute jackwagons in- and out-of-game. Not just to me, and not just to goons or even null pilots. Oh come now, you know that doesn’t count. You can’t be mean to goons. It’s not like they’re _people_. It’s like saying you can be mean to moss or flatworms or something. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Not many worth knowing who’re left, I fear. Seriously though, I’m honestly curious as to who you’re talking about. I have a suspicion this is an artifact of the lens you’re looking through. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/685 "2019-07-22T22:19:46Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Seriously though, I’m honestly curious as to who you’re talking about. I have a suspicion this is an artifact of the lens you’re looking through. I’m talking about folks I and others have encountered in null, low, and highsec. God knows a fair chunk of the wardec corps qualify, though at least that’s been curbed a little by CCP’s partial fix. Or people who go ganking newbies, then crowing about it on reddit. Folks who’ve responded to ‘can you tell me what I could have done better?’ with ‘get rekt, nerd’. Or actively trolling the newbie help channels. Generally, they’re not people I’ve considered worth remembering their names when I hear about them. But it might be the lens I’m looking through, sure. Again, though, I don’t mean the ‘goon’ lens. You know full well that I have a generally dim view of humanity, and that might be coloring my perceptions on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/686 "2019-07-22T22:24:25Z")
Listen to Mr Rogers. Look for the Helpers. You’ll see what you’re looking for in this regard, in Eve and other MMOs. Of course you’ll see all the wankstains, but you know full well that those mostly get shunned and disliked by their own as well. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/687 "2019-07-22T22:34:54Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > you know full well that those mostly get shunned and disliked by their own as well. Like I said: five, ten years ago? Yeah, I’d agree with that. These days? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/688 "2019-07-22T22:37:49Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > The problem is that CCP doesn’t listen to its player base. True. Had they listened - they would have dealt with free, instant, perfect local intel years ago… ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Hipster\_Malcolmson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_hipster_malcolmson/32/197646_2.png) [@Paul\_Hipster\_Malcolmson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Hipster_Malcolmson)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/689 "2019-07-22T23:07:43Z")
Hey everyone, can you take a short 30 seconds to answer this please: > **[Null SEC Blackout](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_1qX3xFSrwQo_WJV1cBWNwORydef47npuIkuLYzemy_TTkw/viewform?usp=send_form)** > > Few Questions to try and gauge opinions of how the black out is affecting gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/690 "2019-07-22T23:15:12Z")
/first ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/691 "2019-07-22T23:40:14Z")
Until I see your characters biomassed, I call bullshitski ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/692 "2019-07-22T23:51:51Z")
I think that is the happiest I’ve been after reading a post since this whole shitstorm started. Well said and spot on. The one time I got hot-dropped, while I did “reeee!” for a minute, one of the dudes actually convo’d me and told me how to fit the apoc I was using better for PvE while making it a harder target for PvP. And the whole ‘how to stay aligned’ video. Dude even spotted me the money to refit the ship. And this was TEST back when they acted like retards in local. Not sure if that still holds up or not 😛 Won’t forget it though, and haven’t lost anything like that in a hotdrop since. V for _ **V** ictory_ ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/693 "2019-07-22T23:56:20Z")
> [@Ikri](#): > > The guy knew the risks to mine in null. He did, or does now; you don’t seem to realize: the risks have changed. HTFU. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/694 "2019-07-23T00:32:12Z")
Let me see if I get this straight… Cave man hits rock with rock. (ok, laser) Bigger cave man comes and hits smaller caveman with rock. (ok, laser) Smaller caveman dies from falling rock. Advice to smaller cavemen… Stay out of falling rock zone! That being said, 😉 I still want to know who CCP is hunting with all of this? After reading “most” of this, I can’t tell if their after the bots or Goons ability to break the game? CCP’s continued inability to anticipate the Goons ability to break the game is what worries me most. I still think Goons are a bigger threat to the game than bots, but what do I know… ---
**Author:** ![Gurney\_Hallack](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gurney_hallack/32/493227_2.png) [@Gurney\_Hallack](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gurney_Hallack)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/695 "2019-07-23T00:39:37Z")
I was already thinking about taking a break. This is pushing me towards giving away my stuff to my favorite content creators and biomassing 300m sp in characters… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/696 "2019-07-23T00:46:37Z")
Nothing has changed since you posted that ‘cave man hits rock with rock’ nonsense in the _last_ thread, either. CCP isn’t hunting us with this. This doesn’t _hunt_ anyone. Not even the bots. As for anticipating… _we **tell** them_ what we’re going to do with their changes. They don’t listen. I get that you’re butthurt that people who are more successful than you are exist, but we’re not breaking anything. We’re just using the systems CCP puts in place, in the ways we openly tell them we’re going to. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/697 "2019-07-23T00:49:00Z")
Survey’s flawed, it doesn’t allow for mixed playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/698 "2019-07-23T00:50:30Z")
Like any survey it’s geared towards generating the responses that are favorable. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/699 "2019-07-23T00:51:27Z")
Hmmm… I think you missed my point. My question is why do they not listen to you? Edit; sry, I just like the caveman mentality of miners… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/700 "2019-07-23T00:54:47Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > My question is why do they not listen to you? If I had to guess, I’d say it’s because they’ve been sure they know better. Hopefully, repeatedly being proven wrong by us will eventually sink in. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/701 "2019-07-23T00:57:38Z")
I have FAR more faith in you guys to adapt faster. But that’s still my question? How far does it go before you win? Edit; bots aside ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/702 "2019-07-23T01:05:33Z")
Declaring victory is a path to defeat. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/703 "2019-07-23T01:21:22Z")
Me thinks you might have already won without even realizing it? (and I doubt that) Even after the blackout is over, if it even ends. CCP’s constant “reaction” to Goons is what I pay attn to, hence my slow slide into obscurity. It’s still what I miss most about this game. Sticking my foot out and tripping you guys up! No animosity, no hard feelings. Just hard targets and hard fighting! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=35)