# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/865 "2019-07-24T16:28:53Z")
> [@Ikri](#): > > I have been in game for 3 years and never saw anything like that. Then you should have been in game when the Agency first went in, because they used to do dailies that gave free SP. ---
**Author:** ![Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naomi_samish_lynx/32/141879_2.png) [@Naomi\_Samish\_Lynx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naomi_Samish_Lynx)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/866 "2019-07-24T16:50:06Z")
Yep many ship options other than VNI and many can be run well outside of point range for neuts landing on anoms making giving them reasonable risk vs reward. Don’t understand the lonely part— just about every major group in the game has voice communications, fleets, intel channels, forums or out of game places to trade pictures and such of some sort, and it’s far from usual for non-allies to trade jabs in local once engaged in combat even with the black out. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/867 "2019-07-24T16:51:06Z")
If there is a target in a green anom and they are not paying attention, isn’t that just part of a balanced risk vs reward? ---
**Author:** ![Milto\_Farroads](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milto_farroads/32/145201_2.png) [@Milto\_Farroads](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milto_Farroads)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/868 "2019-07-24T16:53:55Z")
no risk for the hunter ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/869 "2019-07-24T16:56:36Z")
people stop playin eve put into the game free skillpoints hahahahahahahahhahahaahah ccp error after error ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/870 "2019-07-24T16:56:59Z")
except for bait traps, other hunters, etc, etc, etc, ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/871 "2019-07-24T17:02:09Z")
A target at a green anom is really low skill hunting 101 even if they are paying attention. If they are at a red you have to drop probes off d-scan, set them 15au above the area where the anom is, scan once to get a a partial hit, then drop down close (where they can be seen) to get a hit & move off before they are actually seen - all dependent on experience and scanning skills . Part hunter skill, part hunter/target luck, part hunted observation skills. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/872 "2019-07-24T17:02:28Z")
> [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > no risk for the hunter If there’s no risk for the hunter, the bear has put zero effort into safeguarding themselves and frankly deserves whatever they get. Why is it that bears insist that they shouldn’t have to put the slightest effort into maintaining their own safety? I’ll never understand this. It’s damn near the only thing that makes half the gameplay of Eve worthwhile, figuring out how to thwart other people from screwing ya. ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/873 "2019-07-24T17:02:53Z")
15 au hahahahahahahahahahah ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/874 "2019-07-24T17:08:31Z")
You will need to explain why you find this funny - You do know that you can scan things without the probes being visible on d-scan don’t you ? ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/875 "2019-07-24T17:10:43Z")
and what is your game?that is the end 15 au eve pro high elite profi pvp player Hahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/876 "2019-07-24T17:17:22Z")
I see, you lack a basic understanding of the game mechanics related to scanner probes: If you have a skill level of 5 in Astrometric Pinpointing @16au scan range there is a maximum deviation of 4au on a signature. Of course this will probably mean nothing to you, as prey for the hunter, you just need to keep hitting d-scan and hope for the best. If you are a hunter I suggest you keep running in small fleets & drop on something some one else has found & pointed or cyno’d you onto . ---
**Author:** ![Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savotien_valpurgis/32/170543_2.png) [@Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savotien_Valpurgis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/877 "2019-07-24T17:28:17Z")
> [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > no risk for the hunter Hell no > **[Retribution | Savotien Valpurgis | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/77989961/)** > > Savotien Valpurgis (Les deux mousquetaires) lost their Retribution in 39P-1J (Delve). Final Blow by Wolf Loner4 (KarmaFleet) flying in a Confessor. Total Value: 166,862,555.43 ISK You just have to defend yourself instead hidding and pray we go away. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/878 "2019-07-24T17:44:04Z")
Annoy hunters people, Spam those Warp stabs, call in those reinforcements promptly , keep aligned , keep a flight of Jamming Drones in your bay to make things interesting, a Jammer or 2 can make them annoyed , hmmmm oh yeah swap out that VNI for the Domi. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/879 "2019-07-24T17:48:35Z")
A whole bunch of dead hunters all across New Eden might disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/880 "2019-07-24T18:55:47Z")
Oh please, use lots of stabs, We want to see a huge increase in the failed scramble attempts Vs stabbed ship statistic. If it’s high enough it may encourage them to take Hilmar’s suggestion that fitting a stab will prevent automatic drone aggression. Lots of dev provided suggestions to pick from: Making them active modules, only allowing a single stab or stacking penalties - to get 2 points of stab you would need 3 WCS. Disallowing their use by stab bonused ships, increased cap use for prop mods per WCS etc etc … lots of ideas that just need an excuse to get pushed into the next scrum cycle. ECM drones are already in their sights - maybe only ECM bonused ships should be able to use them after the huge nerf to ECM they recieved. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/881 "2019-07-24T19:02:39Z")
I never set my drones to auto any way well sorry W Stabs are really the only protection most Freighters get, sounds like to me they just want to please the PVP crowd more and more and be damned for the thought of trying to evade. And with this blackout can you blame people for fitting them more then ever. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/882 "2019-07-24T19:04:35Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > ECM drones are already in their sights ECM drones are literally the only useful ecm at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/883 "2019-07-24T19:05:29Z")
Well I don’t see many people flying EWAR boats anymore that is a fleet thing, so yes drones get used more lately. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/884 "2019-07-24T19:07:06Z")
even in fleets ECM is only useful against logi. Drone are the only actually useful jams anymore. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=42) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=44)