# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/885 "2019-07-24T19:07:10Z")
And the ability to use ECM in 1v1 PvP has been completely removed - so this will put the bonus back into the ecm bonused category. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/886 "2019-07-24T19:15:38Z")
> [@Sana\_Yamada](#): > > And with this blackout can you blame people for fitting them more then ever. Each WCS fitted reduces mining yield and greed will win over caution but there still needs to be more of a drawbck than range & targeting - No Drones on auto makes AFK ratting a non starter Remember EvE when freighters needed escorts - I’m not advocating this - but maybe enough built in stabs to prevent 1 or 2 scram points along with immunity to distruptors ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/887 "2019-07-24T19:22:03Z")
Well I fly with 3 WCStabs on my Skiff lately so what if it cuts down lock range to what like 20 something KM I am never more then 5 KM from what I am mining, if you want to offset the range thing swap out a Sensor booster in the lower slot for one of of the WCStab’s, but yes a bot fit might play greedy some of us don’t. But I offset the use of mining laser upgrades by using specific crystals to what I mine. Try getting a escort if your just local hauling things in a Tayra for example, not going to happen , only the larger classes warrant escort to most Corps ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/888 "2019-07-24T19:26:14Z")
Note: If you find and drop on Sana Yamada’s skiff use a faction scram. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/889 "2019-07-24T19:28:55Z")
OH please yes FFS look for my ship it is called the Ganker Bait II I welcome it and when I use all my tricks maybe I will loot said item. 🙂 Silly note I one time rigged the skiff with a Drone Boat buiild, the last Bomber that bothered me really got a shock. ---
**Author:** ![Natalia\_Kitar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalia_kitar/32/150496_2.png) [@Natalia\_Kitar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalia_Kitar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/890 "2019-07-24T19:51:29Z")
i hope so, there are people selling capital ships at the moment for 30% of the price at the 0-sec. The PVE players are leaving… I am thinking of selling mine to, since its not worth to be at the 0-sec the risk is to high. Its more worth to get with ur nyx in to the WH then to farm at the 0-sec. At least they cant drop a cyno on u. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/891 "2019-07-24T19:53:19Z")
YEP they are I wonder how many will go before someone does something about it 2 weeks of this Blackout BS , if they keep it going things might get bleak, but its there game not ours so see where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/892 "2019-07-24T19:56:40Z")
Is this the NYX mini-mass special you are planning on flying through a wormhole ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/893 "2019-07-24T20:48:27Z")
things are already bleak. As far as CCP, they need to get their heads out of their behinds, put local back on and go work on something that is not as dumb as no local ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/894 "2019-07-24T20:52:48Z")
I agree with you but I wont hold my breath for a change anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/895 "2019-07-24T20:53:36Z")
> [@Natalia\_Kitar](#): > > get with ur nyx in to the WH That would be an impressive trick. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/896 "2019-07-24T21:21:53Z")
Reminds me of the time I was vigorously humping a highsec gate in my Naglfar. “It’s just a Tornado, I swear! So I ate a bit? Let me in!” For some reason no one took the bait. Disappointed. Edit: It occurs to me I’ve had an inordinate amount of adventures of exactly that type before. Trying and failing to ram various FW plexes with outsized ships, and coming to the conclusion I’m kind of retarded a little bit too often for my liking. There should be plexes barring _smaller_ ships, I tell ya. So much would be better about FW if the most valuable Plex (in terms of time to respawn, time to capture, system capture percentage, LP etc) was a BC and BS only plex. Smaller ships could enter, but would get wrecked by the rat and not count towards the timer. It’d be at least a slight disincentive to run nothing but t1 frigblobs in that horrible bit of lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/897 "2019-07-24T21:31:29Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > What do you think will even slow us down in that scenario? iHub upgrades. Not everyone has so much mining power than they can consume a colossal like it was a cafe latte. > [@Arrendis](#): > > If we’re _guaranteed_ to be bringing 1000+ titans to take your space some time soon, why would you try to hold it? With the jump fatigue changes effectively revert, capitals shouldn’t be able to gate in under a cyno jammer. I know your subcap fleet might still be something formidable, but it will slow you down maybe 15 minutes. I would self destruct the hubs, and set all the refineries to AU-TZ just to be annoying. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Just grab what you can ahead of the invaging Mongoons, uproot, and keep running. All the way back to low security space. Low security space, the only place left like Null Used To Be™ > [@Arrendis](#): > > For all some of our guys mocked NCdot and PanFam for not trying to defend Tribute or Tenal, _it was the right choice_ , strategically. Indeed. It seems apparent that Delve has enough power to steamroll everyone. If only resource scarcity was iterated on before the rorqual changes the imbalance might not be so severe. It also didn’t help that most of the other big PvP blobs thought industry was beneath them. For a long time PL/NC recruitment was almost like 'bring us a dread, a carrier and a fax and maybe you can join, k ?" It would be nice if Delve did take over all of null, I want to see what CCP does about that since they don’t seem to want to do much about it now. > [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > I think that something has to be throw into the mix to alleviate stagnation be it a famine of raw materials or NCP conflict. Damn right. It makes no sense that null has this infinite supply of NPC’s to kill and rocks to vacuum up. > [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > Even if it’s a CCP created Sleeper invasion that makes a random area of space unlivable for months at a time Don’t like it, kind feels like too much the other way. > [@Arrendis](#): > > And then what? How long does this ‘total war scenario’ play out? Sadly most of the null area I was in the Incursions were largely ignored because people were like ‘oh, it goes away after a week, don’t bother with that PvE crap’. > [@Arrendis](#): > > How long do you make nullsec utterly unlivable in an attempt to _drive off_ paying customers who can just stop paying and go do something else until you’re done, then come back _en masse_ again with no loss of capability? Like how long will the blackout last? How many people are logging in for even more free SP and waiting for a nice K162 that goes to high security space? > [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > You are right the root cause of nullsec stagnation is the paying customer - more precise the plex buying isk grinders - remove this mechanic and what you have left are players that are grinding to build something that will be used in-game. This idea has merit, though then there is the counter argument > [@Arrendis](#): > > The difference between paying for an account with a PLEX someone _else_ paid money for, and paying for it with money yourself, is pretty much negligible in terms of ‘what you’re using your ISK on’. A rorq + excavs costs 10b. Once you pay that, (or pay half that, if you’re using t2 drones), you’re not paying for that ship anymore. Well, it depends how much money they paid for it, and how much time it took them to earn that money. In some parts of the world, subscriptions have been a lot cheaper than in others. I know a Turkish player who had been paying for their subscription via steam, so apparently in Turkish money it was quite a lot cheaper to buy time in steam than via ccp. This person really didn’t have much need to grind for PLEX in order to stay subbed or buy stuff. Steam ‘harmonised’ the cost of items across the EU as part of legislation to stop companies geo-fencing customers. Sadly for my Turkish friend, this now means it costs more to subscribe to eve via steam than it costs to pay for the electricity bill. PLEX has the same issue. In USD at minimum wage of what $7? it takes 3 hours of work to make that much. In the EU, according to wikipedia, minimum wage is all over the place. Bulgaria seems to cop it the worst, it takes 12 hours work at minimum wage to get the same 500 PLEX. > [@Arrendis](#): > > And paying for the account in cash doesn’t change the ability to say ‘I’m pausing my account now via a ticket, I’ll come back when they stop doing this total war crap’. Say what, you can pause an account if you PLEX it, but not if you pay a Sub? > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > And no, the sandbox does not need to be _hard_ . It needs to be _complex_ and _rewarding._ Eve got too hard for me when my old corp got war declaration griefed out of existence. The mechanics have changed, and I am glad to have stayed to see them so, but it won’t bring the people back who left and moved onto other interests. CCP takes far too long to figure out when things are broken and while the war declaration change was good for the game, it is many many years too late. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > This is not a trivial thing to achieve, but part of that will have to be making mindless grinding the least rewarding activity in Eve. If what you’re doing can be done largely afk, then it shouldn’t be particularly rewarding compared to someone doing it the ‘active’ way. I don’t see how mindless grinding is any different to being in a Congo line of 200 Machariels waiting to push F1. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/898 "2019-07-24T21:41:40Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > iHub upgrades. Not everyone has so much mining power than they can consume a colossal like it was a cafe latte. Screw their ihubs. We’ll blow them up and leave them dead, and just use small refineries we can pick up again when it’s time to move on. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > set all the refineries to AU-TZ just to be annoying. NCdot tried TZ-tanking. How’d that work in Tribute? > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > It would be nice if Delve did take over all of null Why would we _want_ it? ---
**Author:** ![Bo2311](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bo2311/32/148606_2.png) [@Bo2311](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bo2311)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/899 "2019-07-24T22:01:31Z")
CCP !!! Stop that unbalanced BS Triglavian Sh t. Stop throw around Skillpoints for nothing. Stop that stupid blackout unbelievable how disrespectful CCP gives a F about his players that play and pay for many years. i love this game … but if a cuple of carriers arent able to damage a triglavian frig fleet with remoterep chain there is something massivly wrong when the only reason to fly a battleship is to close a wormhole … damn what are you doing in your meetings ? when you play years to get 100mio skillpoints Hey new event log in and everyone can have 100 mio skillpoints ccp gives you first 50 and pay 100$ and youll get the other 50. WTF are you planning in your meetings. Do something useful when you discuss about changes in PVE missionrunning or new anomalies last time no changes … nothing. same dramsel since 10 years ago NPC behavior same for years. the game is at a point where it becomes cheap i hate cheap games ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/900 "2019-07-24T22:18:58Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Why would we _want_ it? For the final move. Checkmate. ---
**Author:** ![Milto\_Farroads](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milto_farroads/32/145201_2.png) [@Milto\_Farroads](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milto_Farroads)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/901 "2019-07-24T22:33:57Z")
oh, so you lost a frigate … ---
**Author:** ![Milto\_Farroads](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milto_farroads/32/145201_2.png) [@Milto\_Farroads](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milto_Farroads)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/902 "2019-07-24T22:35:26Z")
so was star wars galaxies … ---
**Author:** ![Milto\_Farroads](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milto_farroads/32/145201_2.png) [@Milto\_Farroads](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milto_Farroads)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/903 "2019-07-24T22:42:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > A whole bunch of dead hunters all across New Eden might disagree. that argument also applies to the hunted. and guess whose dead are more numerous. So if you consider the null hunted operating at low risk (with local), then the hunters operate at almost no risk. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/904 "2019-07-24T22:46:40Z")
You can say there are so many new ones but is it replacing the numbers leaving, but again numbers don’t show how many new people joining are returning PVP players no one knows the exact numbers other then CCP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=43) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=45)