# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/905 "2019-07-24T22:47:35Z")
> [@Bo2311](#): > > when you play years to get 100mio skillpoints > Hey new event log in and everyone can have 100 mio skillpoints ccp gives you first 50 and pay 100$ and youll get the other 50. > WTF are you planning in your meetings. please send me this skill point plan so I can buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/906 "2019-07-25T00:28:57Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Why would we _want_ it? Its not about what want. AT&T was broken up after it became a monopoly. If Delve took over all of Null, either CCP say ‘oh, yeah, maybe its a problem’ or they go ‘working as intended’ and we all pledge allegiance to our new Null Overlords? > [@Arrendis](#): > > NCdot tried TZ-tanking. How’d that work in Tribute? Oh yeah, I forgot with an organisation of such size the number of insomniacs must be high enough that TZ tanking isn’t really a problem. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Screw their ihubs. We’ll blow them up and leave them dead, and just use small refineries we can pick up again when it’s time to move on. I forgot CCP pretty much removed the reason for installing mining iHub upgrades at all with the introduction of Refining Platforms. I miss the old ore anomalies, that giant spodumain rock would keep people entertained for hours. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/907 "2019-07-25T00:45:36Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > AT&T was broken up after it became a monopoly. Thank you for bringing up “my” main concern about resubbing. Why resub if Goons already won? ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/908 "2019-07-25T00:48:15Z")
Yeah poor management on many a MMO led to there deaths, Free play is a warning sign of it in allot of cases. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/909 "2019-07-25T00:58:33Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > Get rid of all anoms in null make them red and you would be safer than before the blackout as even a cloaked camper would have to de-cloak launch probes & find where you are to get the drop on you. I am told there was a time in Eve where Null was like this, but guess which part of the community complained? ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/910 "2019-07-25T01:00:53Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Why resub if Goons already won? I don’t play in Null anymore, though since the blackout I’ve spent way too much time on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/911 "2019-07-25T01:07:24Z")
I never did null much, I joined Goons, but it just was not for me. We spent so much time fighting them that it just felt wrong to be part of them. Unfortunately, the question still remains. Why should I spend the time to relearn the game if its already lost? ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/912 "2019-07-25T01:07:42Z")
FFS bring back having to scan all Anoms down yes so many people whined saying it was to hard it was not just the lazy crowd but who gave into them ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/913 "2019-07-25T01:35:33Z")
> [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > that argument also applies to the hunted. and guess whose dead are more numerous. Except, of course, that you were saying there’s no risk to the hunters. Nobody said there’s no risk to the hunted. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > For the final move. Checkmate. And again, why would we want that? > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Its not about what want. > > AT&T was broken up after it became a monopoly. > > If Delve took over all of Null, either CCP say ‘oh, yeah, maybe its a problem’ or they go ‘working as intended’ and we all pledge allegiance to our new Null Overlords? Well until you’ve got a way to _force_ us to take over the rest of nullsec, then yeah, whether or not Delve takes over nullsec _is_ about what we want, now ain’t it? Realtalk: We _like_ EVE. We enjoy playing EVE. If someone _wins_, the game is _over_. Why the hell would we ever want that? We don’t _want_ horrible stagnation. You know what we want? We want explosions. We want blood. We want to blow crap up and get blown up doing it. But we’ll be damned if we’ll do it stupidly, sacrificing so much for the short term that our enemies can stomp on our bones until there’s nothing left. So we’re going to do our best to make sure we can fend off the threats that come, and we don’t care if anyone else doesn’t like it. But what we _want_ isn’t to ‘win EVE’ or control all of nullsec. That crap’s boring. We just wanna blow stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/914 "2019-07-25T01:45:54Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And again, why would we want that? That still does not answer my question. Why would I want pay to play if you have that much power over the game? I think you guys broke the game a long time ago. (but that’s just me) 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Telorna\_B\_Laar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/telorna_b_laar/32/150664_2.png) [@Telorna\_B\_Laar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Telorna_B_Laar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/915 "2019-07-25T01:46:16Z")
I love it! I have resubbed after 3 year break, just because if the new blackout. It makes null sec great again. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/916 "2019-07-25T01:48:17Z")
The short term is great for me, but I have done nothing with it other than to send out a couple of scouts. Edit; Why bother if the game is that skewed? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/917 "2019-07-25T03:34:46Z")
I never said you should. If the game isn’t something you enjoy, do something else. Life’s too short to waste it on things you don’t find fulfilling. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/918 "2019-07-25T05:28:35Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Well until you’ve got a way to _force_ us to take over the rest of nullsec, then yeah, whether or not Delve takes over nullsec _is_ about what we want, now ain’t it? This is a problem of perception, CCP has a certain degree of tunnel vision when it comes to assessing the health of the game. Issues that tend to blow up in their faces that affect few people are treated much differently to the little things that affect thousands. > [@Arrendis](#): > > We _like_ EVE. We enjoy playing EVE. If someone _wins_ , the game is _over_ . Why the hell would we ever want that? For some, the game is already over. > [@Arrendis](#): > > But we’ll be damned if we’ll do it stupidly, sacrificing so much for the short term that our enemies can stomp on our bones until there’s nothing left. So we’re going to do our best to make sure we can fend off the threats that come, and we don’t care if anyone else doesn’t like it. Of course, but what is the point of playing if no opposing group can grow large enough to threaten before all their space condo’s get burnt down to the ground? > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Why would I want pay to play if you have that much power over the game? I think you guys broke the game a long time ago. (but that’s just me) I forget which CCP event it was, but it went like “So, some groups figured out the rules and have won Eve. We’re changing those rules.” > [@Arrendis](#): > > never said you should. If the game isn’t something you enjoy, do something else. Life’s too short to waste it on things you don’t find fulfilling. All I wanted to do when I started playing on my first account was run ORE missions. Apparently the only place in the game to do that is in Null, and all the people there sit on the undock with Tornado’s, or just camp the few entrance/exit systems with interdictors. Now I just do incursions. Not what I want to do, but a compromise. Some people who play Eve seem unwilling to compromise, which is sad because it just means fewer people find the game of interest or fun. ---
**Author:** ![Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savotien_valpurgis/32/170543_2.png) [@Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savotien_Valpurgis)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/919 "2019-07-25T05:38:23Z")
And ? You don’t want to lose a big blink blink ship, fly a venture. Roam fregate is mean for rapidity and catching farming dude. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/920 "2019-07-25T05:40:37Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > what is the point of playing if no opposing group can grow large enough When’s the last time we went picking on the little guys for shiggles? Hmm? Burning them down just to burn someone down? We like new groups. We think null _needs_ more new groups. New groups should be able to grow. If some group of cute newbies wants to grow big enough to come kick over our sandcastle, that’s _good_. We wish them well in the attempt. The people we’ve spent the last 3 years attacking _earned_ it, and let’s not forget: _They earned it by burning us out of our homes_. Absolutely nothing stopped them from reading the tea leaves CCP stapled to their 100m tall flaming sign that screamed ‘MASSIVE MINING POSSIBLE WITH RORQUALS NOW. INDUSTRY WILL BE THE KEY TO LONG-TERM VICTORY FOR A WHILE’ just as well as we did. God knows Sort was on the CSM all through those years, he _sure_ as hell could’ve been pushing his alliance that way. They just didn’t _want_ to. There’s nothing preventing another small group from trying the same thing. Yes, they’ve got a lot of ground to make up now, but even that’s not impossible with the right diplomacy. And if they want to grow, diplomacy’s a talent they’ll need. So they should be able to find allies, and find ways to make up some of that ground. And hopefully, they will. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > All I wanted to do when I started playing on my first account was run ORE missions. Apparently the only place in the game to do that is in Null Yeah, you’d think they’d have at least some presence in high/low, just to get people hooked in. 😕 > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Some people who play Eve seem unwilling to compromise, which is sad because it just means fewer people find the game of interest or fun. The game is all about compromise. It’s about adaptation, and adapting is compromising ‘I want’ to meet the realities of the environment. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/921 "2019-07-25T06:05:11Z")
> [@Sana\_Yamada](#): > > well sorry W Stabs are really the only protection most Freighters get Yeah. You just proved you are risk averse bullshitter who has no idea what he is talking about – freighters can not fit wstabs. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/922 "2019-07-25T06:21:35Z")
> [@Bo2311](#): > > if a cuple of carriers arent able to damage a triglavian frig fleet with remoterep chain there is something massivly wrong Smaller trig fleets I solo in typhoon.Get 3 typhoons and mayb two-three logis and you can do almost any roaming trig fleet. But it is easier to cry on forums than to actually attempt to up the game. ---
**Author:** ![Xelios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xelios/32/192236_2.png) [@Xelios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xelios)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/923 "2019-07-25T07:35:47Z")
> [@Bo2311](#): > > if a cuple of carriers arent able to damage a triglavian frig fleet with remoterep chain there is something massivly wrong > **[zKillboard.com / Related Kills | QHJ-FW | 2019-07-24 18:00](https://zkillboard.com/related/30001305/201907241800/)** > > A battle took place in QHJ-FW (Venal) involving 73 pilots who lost a total of 7,902,838,282.97 isk If anyone’s interested. They were doing pretty well while the Huginn was on field, but sadly the (XL fit) dreads (not carriers) couldn’t close the gap between 40 dudes in Kikis and logi vs 8 Muninns and a few Scimitars. Too bad that Huginn didn’t survive longer it might have turned the battle all on its own. Shame about that top damage eh 🤔 > **[Huginn | Aleksandr Grim | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78005316/)** > > Aleksandr Grim (BloodDemons) lost their Huginn in QHJ-FW (Venal). Final Blow by Chronos Aion (V0LTA) flying in a Kikimora. Total Value: 469,881,637.57 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/924 "2019-07-25T07:53:42Z")
Hey Mental and Unstable I meant haulers sorry dipstick for using the wrong term if you look above I mentioned the Tayra oh wait seems your not forgiving, Freighters get escorts and bulk reinforcement , and hey Noob I have ben playing this game a hell of allot longer then you to. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=44) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=46)