# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/85 "2019-07-19T02:21:44Z")
Right, so like I said the first time… …you made it up. > Sorry its a math thing I do a lot of math things. One of the neat aspects of math things is that you can show your work, and other people can confirm it. I suspect you’re not good at math things. ---
**Author:** ![frentelgt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frentelgt/32/149164_2.png) [@frentelgt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/frentelgt)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/86 "2019-07-19T02:24:58Z")
Not to argue with you but I guess statistical math is a made up thing well my engineering professors must be liars? Hmmm think not ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/87 "2019-07-19T02:27:16Z")
They’re probably not liars, you’re probably a liar, and they probably expect you to show your work, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/88 "2019-07-19T02:33:16Z")
> [@frentelgt](#): > > I guess statistical math is a made up thing well my engineering professors must be liars? Did your engineering professors tell you that 10,000 people unsubscribed from EVE Online? We’re just asking where you are getting the number from. ---
**Author:** ![Kravasher\_Prime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kravasher_prime/32/396175_2.png) [@Kravasher\_Prime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kravasher_Prime)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/89 "2019-07-19T02:49:24Z")
Done with this game. It’s too much work. It’s supposed to be fun. CCP finally killed their game. ---
**Author:** ![Stef\_Darklighter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stef_darklighter/32/196390_2.png) [@Stef\_Darklighter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stef_Darklighter)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/90 "2019-07-19T02:53:18Z")
> [@Cicada\_Adacic](#): > > New player here, couple things black out has changed about Eve for me. > > 1. Adapting\> learned how to create jump clones; I doubled my ship hanger and set up a second place of operations in Hi Sec as Nullsec was getting a bit crazy. > 2. More Plex\> yes, I skill injected to bring my skills on Main to a reasonable level that I would be a bit safer in a Loki / Rattlesnake. And did some research on fits and tactics to help my overall experience during blackout. > 3. Created An Alt\> I learnt how to use an Alt for Cloaky Transport in and out of Nullsec as I was expecting alot more gatecamps. > 4. Hunting\> although I have not had one kill in Nullsec during this blackout, I have learned how to hunt, but also how to be aware that I am also being hunted, and how to escape a mouse trap. > > Just a couple of things that a new player like myself has done while blackout has been in effect to help overall quality of life while gaming. NULLSEC has been pretty quite for me until Blackout, and it has forced me to be extra cautious and learn new strategies that I would otherwise not worry to much about. > > Blackout in my opinion is stimulation for new players like myself and is welcomed. I think you’re going to go far in this sandbox. Seeing this sort of attitude is heartwarming 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stef\_Darklighter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stef_darklighter/32/196390_2.png) [@Stef\_Darklighter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stef_Darklighter)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/91 "2019-07-19T02:59:21Z")
> [@frentelgt](#): > > Not to argue with you but I guess statistical math is a made up thing well my engineering professors must be liars? Hmmm think not Well, they definitely failed as engineering professors if they couldn’t even teach you how to provide sources for data that you cited as an absolute. You’d probably get booted from the order if you tried a stunt like that in a professional capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Alocose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alocose/32/380038_2.png) [@Alocose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alocose)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/92 "2019-07-19T03:01:01Z")
Personally, I think that the blackout is going to be beneficial for the game. I know from experience that the game has been rapidly losing content for PVP players due to various reasons such as massive super capital umbrellas and so forth. I think the the blackout brings some much needed risk to ratting and mining and it creates new content for both the attackers and the defenders. One of the main benefits I see is that it will drastically affect botters and likely start making botting less profitable, in turn reducing the incentive to botters. Another benefit I think this will bring is a decrease in RMT, because it is likely that many of these botters are behind much of the RMT that goes on in the game. As for pvp, I think this will secure black ops ships as a dominant force in null security space. Without being able to see local or covert cynos, that will give black ops fleets a significant advantage during PVP. People will have to start relying on combat probes and d-scan in order to better react to the new threats that the blackout will pose. One of the main problems with being able to see local in null sec is that most ratters simply have their ships aligned to a POS or citadel and as soon as they see a neutral enter local they simply warp off and the hunter has a very low chance of catching them. However, one of the main issues I see with this change is with rorquals. Like anything in the game there needs to be a good balance. I think that the blackout significantly balances the odds in regards to ratting ships and regular mining ships, however since rorquals are tied down for up to five minutes at a time it could mean almost certain death with a few hundred man bomber fleet. The bomber fleet would be able to bridge in virtually undetected and the rorqual would not know it was in trouble until it was too late and it would be difficult for the defender to react in time in that circumstance. Allot of rorquals are saved because Intel channels for major alliances are able to spot enemy fleets entering local multiple systems out which balances the rorquals odds of escaping. However, the blackops fleets with have no incentive to rush a system as quickly as possible to catch a rorqual, they will be able to take their time and bridge in a way that would make them almost undetectable until they are already on top of the rorqual. Overall, I think it would be a great change for the game with only a few things to possibly balance. ---
**Author:** ![Gaming513\_Tyler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaming513_tyler/32/360798_2.png) [@Gaming513\_Tyler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaming513_Tyler)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/93 "2019-07-19T03:24:50Z")
I agree mostly. It’s an amazing update in my opinion and is personally second only to the abyssal update that introduced filaments and stuff. I make ISK running abyssals and its hella profitable for very little investment. I hope the blackout is here to stay! ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/94 "2019-07-19T03:44:11Z")
Actually a bot decided. Please read last post of the first thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/95 "2019-07-19T03:52:13Z")
10K total would be a drop in the bucket. The dudes in CCP have way more money than you, or I for that matter. That considered, I think they’re a much better representation of people who know how to take care of finances. This game has been running for almost two entire decades. Most of the people screeching were not even a thought. And this game is still here, likely due to the fact that some of the CCP crew are business and accounting degree holding bean counters. So your ‘business logic’ is pretty much already a dead horse before you started kicking it. Actually if you had more business logic you’d probably be jumping up and down with joy at the profits you’d be making if you weren’t busy trying to ‘scare CCP straight with my lame arguments’. And if we’re talking about 10k whiny AFK miners and bots, then good friggin riddance. “V” for **V** ictory ---
**Author:** ![TehCloud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tehcloud/32/138643_2.png) [@TehCloud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TehCloud)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/96 "2019-07-19T03:52:24Z")
Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/97 "2019-07-19T04:03:59Z")
Dude, I’ve said it like… too many damned times. Nothing really changes for you if you play the game the way it was intended to be played. You know, at the flippin’ keyboard, paying attention, not dicking about bored and watching “Netflix” (_we all know its pr0n_). If you’re scared of pirates, then act accordingly. Fit more tank. Instead of flying a covetor or retriever, use a procurer. Stick a higgs in a rig slot and stay aligned. Have buddies in system that can come to your aid. If you had a slow reaction and didn’t punch warp fast enough. There are a ton of ways to deal with no local. The biggest one is having friends, being blue to the duders that are in the space you’re in. The best thing, is to just play smart. Stay aligned. Don’t be a lazy derp and be sitting still in dangerous space. Be prepared to either cut and run, or fight. The V key is your friend. “V” for **V** ictory ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/98 "2019-07-19T04:12:13Z")
As for your last point… no, Goonswarm isn’t “superior” to any of them, they just recruit any meat they can, and rent out to even more meat. It ends up being a numbers game where Goons can just out blob anyone with F1 monkeys until attrition takes its toll. Not saying that it’s not a valid or effective method of play. Its kinda like chinaconomics, where they manufacture and sell so much cheap crap that the world buys because its cheap, then the world wonders… where is all our gold? It’s super effective 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/99 "2019-07-19T04:15:32Z")
Can… _an alphabro_ have all your crap? Might bring someone who actually wants to play a bit of joy. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/100 "2019-07-19T04:33:58Z")
> [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > Your description of Rorqual mining rates may have been true before the nerfs, but now Rorqs mine about 2.5 Hulks, I believe. If you consider two and a half Hulks a mining fleet, so be it, but… it’s not exactly a huge one. Also, the drone travel times can reduce that mining rate further. They can, yes. At the same time, using only Miner IIs, a Rorqual still mines about 160% of a boosted Hulk’s yield. Without caring about training for the crystals or the strip miners. So there’s still no real upside to downgrading to a Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![Gevlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gevlin/32/146805_2.png) [@Gevlin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gevlin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/101 "2019-07-19T04:34:08Z")
> [@Stef\_Darklighter](#): > > New Don t Rorqual have the panic module incase they are jumped? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/102 "2019-07-19T04:36:48Z")
> [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > As for your last point… no, Goonswarm isn’t “superior” to any of them, they just recruit any meat they can, and rent out to even more meat. There are no renters within Goonswarm or the Imperium. In fact, we operate our rental program at a loss, simply to deny those renters’ payments to our enemies. I will, however, say our organizational wherewithal _is_ superior to other groups’, simply because we’ve _had_ to be in order to make things work for this many members. ---
**Author:** ![Gevlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gevlin/32/146805_2.png) [@Gevlin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gevlin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/103 "2019-07-19T04:38:30Z")
Oh and fit a cyno as well. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/104 "2019-07-19T04:40:02Z")
lmao, answered that question, definitely don’t live in null, but has opinion on how it should be run… Mind you these are not just my own sentiments, but the same sentiments felt throughout most of the alliance I’m in, and many many other players and alliances as well…normally that kind of stuff matters… And as for the goon comments reinforce that you don’t live in NULL, lmao [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=6)