# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1107 "2019-07-26T12:55:34Z")
> [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > First of all, you compare the solo playstyle of hisec with the group playstyle of nullsec. If you actually include in the comparison solo null vs solo hisec, the gneralized statement ‘null is safer’ is wrong. > > Sure standings are useful for intel , but they dont protect you from gankers that are blue (or intel spies). Neither is local intel perfect, it depends on available non-AFK people to report the non-blues. In addition, cynos, wormholes and cloacks allow hostiles to move without beeing easily detected. > > There are no cynos and no bubbles in highsec, so a ganker cant hotdrop you or gatecamp you easily. > There is an immediate and 100% deadly CONCORD response in highsec, that will safe you from the ganker if he doesnt succed in killing you faster then their response. That makes highsec ‘unsafe’ only situationally that you can mostly avoid if you follow some simple rules. On the contrary in nullsec the response is by players and needs to be organized, allowing the hostile fleet sometimes to kill (not very safe for you) you or to run away. > > Certainly big organized entities in high sec could run similar intel tools to make hisec safer, but they dont need to it is already adequately safe. > So sure, local intel allows certain degree of safeness for by avoiding certain activities, but it does not make null safer than hisec. Everyone has blues who shoot at them or steals from corporations. That has nothing to do with null. You mean NOW cynos, wormhomes and cloaks allow hostiles to move without being easily detected, because showing up on local was easy detection. Cynos and bubbles work both ways and are normally used to get people entering someones space not by roaming hunters. Until recently with the wardec changes Concord was useless unless you were in an NPC corporation and no you cannot just mark people friendly in hi-sec to make it safer, there are to many people for that. And again that is a lot of words to say you want Null safer again. I hope it stays like it is now, then at least it is a logical progression of risk vs reward. Besides lo-sec really needs the extra people. ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1108 "2019-07-26T13:03:07Z")
let’s keep it that way will play fewer people and then you can watch the empty systems in nullsec play only omega low-high sec plays a large amount of alpha and what does it mean no money for ccp and the finale of all this is the end game In this case, it is super change blackout local how to get people out of the game 😭😭😭😭 ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1109 "2019-07-26T13:06:58Z")
Yeah but the only people who will leave are the risk averse and they who will not adapt. Seems like the same advice Null gave Hi-sec for over a decade. Thankfully it will possibly stop the game being so stagnant. ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1110 "2019-07-26T14:30:40Z")
couldn’t agree more, if the modual only shows local to the alliance/ blues that own it I will be so happy to watch all the 1337 pvp people moan about how broken it is… and how many of them will unsub because pvp is to unfair now… it was perfictaly fair before just so many people couldn’t see that :[ ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1111 "2019-07-26T14:37:42Z")
Yes, I’m sure they’ve turned off local as a precursor to replacing it with a blue-only local because clearly the intent behind all of this is to shift the intel advantage toward greater safety for null residents. That must be it. I am assuming this is what people mean by “spodbrain”. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1112 "2019-07-26T14:46:02Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > Small alliances breaking up and moving out or joining mega alliances. Examples? > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > First of all, you compare the solo playstyle of hisec with the group playstyle of nullsec. No, I don’t. Get as large a highsec group as you like. Can you see the gankers coming? > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > Sure standings are useful for intel , but they dont protect you from gankers that are blue (or intel spies). Awoxing is a whole other issue. > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > Neither is local intel perfect, it depends on available non-AFK people to report the non-blues. Local provides perfect information. What it doesn’t provide is automatic relays. > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > In addition, cynos, wormholes and cloacks allow hostiles to move without beeing easily detected. Except, you know, for that whole ‘showing up in local’ thing. > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > There are no cynos and no bubbles in highsec, so a ganker cant hotdrop you or gatecamp you easily. There’s also no cynos and bubbles in highsec, so you can’t bring in defense forces as quickly, or slow enemies down on the gate with bubbles. It cuts both ways. > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > There is an immediate and 100% deadly CONCORD response in highsec, that will safe you from the ganker if he doesnt succed in killing you faster then their response. AHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Yeah, ok. And freighters don’t die in Jita during the Burns, either, I suppose? Gankers know how fast CONCORD will respond. They know exactly how many people they need for guaranteed kills in each sec rating. > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > Certainly big organized entities in high sec could run similar intel tools to make hisec safer _How_? How do you _consistently_ identify the gankers when all you need is a disposable Coercer pilot you started up the night before? > [@Milto\_Farroads](#): > > ‘interesting’ wears of after a short time We’ll see. > [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > I am assuming this is what people mean by “spodbrain”. It’s pretty close, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1113 "2019-07-26T14:58:41Z")
The longer this crap continues, the more we will start seeing smaller alliances and corps fold to join bigger ones in order to remain in null sec. Simple result of CCP having smoked the carpet, waking up drunk every day and being complete morons for the past 2+ weeks now. ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1114 "2019-07-26T15:06:22Z")
ye pretty much, and once again its a change that has/will cause things that are for the most part irreversible/take a long time to be undone. just like injectors, mining rorquals/orcas, dock able titans and such. but so many people cant see where the problem with eve is that they grab onto things like botting and VNI ratting… instead of mega blobs, umbrellas and the other things listed above. yes botting is a problem but its a drop in the mixing bowl compared to other changes that have been made to the detriment of the game and to fair play. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1115 "2019-07-26T15:35:36Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And freighters don’t die in Jita during the Burns, either, I suppose? Of course. Some freighters did die during the event which happens in, like, 4-6 systems maybe twice a year. The whole of highsec isn’t safe! Run you fools! Not like there is literally a thousand of other systems which remain unburnt and zero opportunity to prevent wardecs. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1116 "2019-07-26T15:38:31Z")
Strange that after 15 years of warnings that the sky would fall if local was ever removed from null. Here we are 2 weeks in with the Null crowd still predicting the same doom and gloom, Yet no doom or gloom being found so far. After all of the talk I was expecting, the dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together , mass hysteria! ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1117 "2019-07-26T15:49:43Z")
and that is why they try to make every effort(free skillpoints,skillpoints mise) to get people back into the game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1118 "2019-07-26T16:04:17Z")
It never recovered from the whole Greed is Good, using Eves money on other games, bit. Hopefully now that they are making the game make more sense they will get new players in from other areas. Especially after the fast 5 years complete stagnation. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1119 "2019-07-26T16:08:22Z")
Finally found something to shoot at? Damn it must’ve been hard if it took two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1120 "2019-07-26T16:10:18Z")
Yawn… ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_TLA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_tla/32/205546_2.png) [@Anna\_TLA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_TLA)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1121 "2019-07-26T16:10:49Z")
The doom and gloom is a slow rolling thing, many of us who will quit soon, have time left on our accounts. Those manufacturers that will suffer mineral shortages are still eating into stocks. Some of that time in quasi gate camps or bait mining operations. So, we log into say high t friends, wait for CCP to announce this will end soon, or never so we can make final decisions. I need to decide on a account I am paying for in a few weeks and none of my plex for the other account are going in until I know one way or the other… As I have said many times, I will not pay for a game to create content for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1122 "2019-07-26T16:12:39Z")
i like to write with alpha clone high elite hisec player you have no idea that game was a community and not randomly login alfa clone open your eyes and look at the login player number on launcher ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1123 "2019-07-26T16:14:08Z")
So it is long term doom and gloom. So if the sky doesn’t fall, in a year or so I presume that is still waiting for the sky to fall. Seem like your warnings of Doom and Gloom are creating content. Just forum content. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1124 "2019-07-26T16:14:18Z")
absolutely correct. personally I have already cancelled my renewal and indicated it was due to the blackout. and I am not buying any plex until CCP stops being idiots and reinstates local. In all of my years playing EVE, this is the 1st time I am doing this (except of course when I was taking a break from the game) And I am not using any of my ships until the blackout gets removed either. Would rather fly in my pod ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1125 "2019-07-26T16:16:31Z")
previously maybe because none of CCP stupidity reached this level. But this time, CCP might have well outdone themselves to piss people off. Time will tell, but I will stick to my prediction that with this crap, there wont be a game in about 1-2 years time ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1126 "2019-07-26T16:19:39Z")
You mean CCP has never altered the risk vs reward in Null in a manner that disadvantaged Null. The rest of EvE is quite used to it however. I must admit after the years of Null saying HTFU, this is rather funny. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=54) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=56)