# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1248 "2019-07-27T16:40:36Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Strange, Yet just a few months ago i sat on these forums advocating for this change in the thread we are posting in (black out in null) and putting up very significant argumentation for its benefits. > > Hey look, we have threads on the forums of people liking the change. > > so much for “not listening”. Yeah we have had threads for people wanting no local in null for 15 years. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1249 "2019-07-27T16:44:34Z")
> [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > Yeah we have had threads for people wanting no local in null for 15 years. The donuts need to go. Be happy im not the lead designer here. I would of nerfed corporate sizes to a cap of 250, and alliances to a cap of 5 or 10 corporations, and then i would of made it impossible for you to “work around” those mechanics in a null sense to create the donuts (likely by changing the diplomatic system and overview). I also would of removed custom channel creation and logs from the game to stop third part software from altering you if baddies are coming… ON TOP OF THIS CHANGE. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1250 "2019-07-27T16:50:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > At the very least, _I_ don’t want to see a return to the Digital Ebola level of CI. But I suspect that that’s what would happen. Vulnerability breeds paranoia. Paranoia gives rise to… over-reaction. Won’t be a problem if CCP also flexes harder with permabans for that kind of nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1251 "2019-07-27T16:58:55Z")
Agreed that instead of this debacle, there needs to be more PVP in null, but as long as the big groups cozy to each other and dont engage in real conflict of destruction and annihilation… ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1252 "2019-07-27T17:07:08Z")
That is largely a combination of structure cancer and capital dominance. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1253 "2019-07-27T17:18:05Z")
Dont know, but for sure them being cozy and talking to each other as friends is not helping either ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1254 "2019-07-27T17:24:17Z")
Why fight when you can just sit there and rake in isk. Structure killing is cancer. 3 Carriers/Ledmaks hit damage cap on a medium upwell…which means you are stuck there on grid for 20 minutes. They automagically rep themselves at the time of the defenders chosing 3-5 days later. One week per structure that barely costs more than a decently fit Trig T1. Wonder why everyone is friendly? ■■■■ that noise. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1255 "2019-07-27T17:26:54Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Won’t be a problem if CCP also flexes harder with permabans for that kind of nonsense. For what kind of nonsense? Publicly-posted information is _public_. Nothing Digi did, no matter how much you or I might not like it, broke the TOS _or_ any laws. Anyway, this is a topic you and I have fought about in the past, and neither one of us wants ■■■■ like that being done again, so I’m just gonna drop it. > [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > Dont know, but for sure them being cozy and talking to each other as friends is not helping either You fight with someone for 15 years, you get to know one another. I mean, any attempt to claim that being familiar and ‘cozy’ prevents fights kind of ignores actual history for the last, I dunno, 1500 years? WWI was a _family argument_. Which cousin could get the other to back down first: The Kaiser, or the Tsar? Whups! Turns out neither! ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1256 "2019-07-27T18:05:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And he didn’t say ‘titan weapons should require fuel’. DD’s _already_ require fuel. He said _titans_ should require fuel. You are correct, I misheard. > [@Arrendis](#): > > The only one whose words mean anything when he’s talking about what he _wants_ is Hilmar. That being the case, IMO the CEO _repeatedly_ stating that chaos is the goal, combined with the chaos actually _implemented_ by nullsec Drifter attacks and local blackout indicates big changes aren’t just talk or a passing phase, which is significant. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1257 "2019-07-27T18:45:01Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > broke the TOS _or_ any laws CCP are fully allowed to ban whoever they want for whatever they want, so if they go “Yeah, you’re being a massive dick and we don’t like it.” that’s more than enough for them to burn any account to the ground _if they so choose_. This isn’t a very likely chain of events, but it’s one that is entirely available to them if they ever decided to take a stance against that kind of nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1258 "2019-07-27T19:00:42Z")
I remember battletoads omg!! think they might still be about somewhere but not really seen them in syndicate so much. Wasnt lusey lou something to do with them? As for amish mafia i think the leader is in init now and kind of tries to use init toi help placate the area for himself - im not sure what the deal is tbh, ive just heard he tries to ransom people and charge rent or something to that effect. Takes allsorts i suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1259 "2019-07-27T19:11:06Z")
I can see that you truly cant/ don’t want to understand what I am trying to say so we will leave it at that as I feel its not worth trying to talk to a brick wall. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1260 "2019-07-27T20:23:47Z")
CCP server breaks down from 3.5 thousand people in battle. Previously kept under 6 thousand. The change has a technical reason. They simply can not adjust, increase the capacity of the servers, but they actively contribute tinsel in the form of visual effects. And of course they need small groups, like living in VH. Who could never get together and give battle to the inhabitants of the zeros. Soon we will see-happened the biggest battle in the world of EVE! All hardware power has been allocated for this cluster! 120 battleships participated in this biggest battle in 2020! I wonder how the 64-bit system supports large-scale battles? Like the epic wars of the Northern War? ---
**Author:** ![Bo2311](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bo2311/32/148606_2.png) [@Bo2311](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bo2311)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1261 "2019-07-27T20:27:46Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > 02:25 - **Hilmar** : “We’re actually experiencing right now in the month of July, MAU and DAU the highest it’s ever been in the last five years” - (DAU/MAU = Daily/Monthly active users). oh wonder … Skillpoints for free > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > 34:35 - **CCP Falcon** - the MER for July and August will look very bizarre due to the Blackout. Even when you filter out the login campaign from the data, it’s incredible to see activity is still there. ISK generated from bounties is down massively, but that player activity is still there it has just shifted to other activities as players have adapted. We believe blackout has a been a enormous success. The most ppl just hanging around doing nothing or bring their stuff in to highsec or doing pvp. They dont generate ISK. Its a bit to early to tell this is a success. I and a nearly everyone i know in eve is preparing to deinstall game. Sad but true. If CCP can hold that activity untill christmas than its really a success. > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > 42:40 - **Falcon** - the map needs a huge shakeup, we need to create conflict, people have built their sandcastles, now they need to fight for them. Thats right but there are better ways to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1262 "2019-07-27T20:30:13Z")
> [@AnatanD\_Airin](#): > > CCP server breaks down from 3.5 thousand people in battle. Previously kept under 6 thousand. The change has a technical reason. They simply can not adjust, increase the capacity of the servers, but they actively contribute tinsel in the form of visual effects. And of course they need small groups, like living in VH. Who could never get together and give battle to the inhabitants of the zeros. > Soon we will see-happened the biggest battle in the world of EVE! All hardware power has been allocated for this cluster! 120 battleships participated in this biggest battle in 2020! > I wonder how the 64-bit system supports large-scale battles? Like the epic wars of the Northern War? It’s difficult to discern what exactly you’re trying to get at here, but visual effects are client-side and have no impact on the server, and the 64 bit client means the client can address more than 4gb of memory instead of inevitably running out of resources and crashing. ---
**Author:** ![Monori](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monori/32/149175_2.png) [@Monori](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monori)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1263 "2019-07-27T20:31:23Z")
@TehCloud take this rope and cut your tongue ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1264 "2019-07-27T20:32:28Z")
Even now, most pvp is produced by the inhabitants of the zeros in their constant bloody battles. And what was famous for EVE-their massive battles, but not hotdrop. Residents of the empire, VH, loysec, you were never known by anything. When there were major wars, you and there quietly as jackals gnawed under the guise of singles and weak. So it is now. You are unknown and just use the lack of locale. You are unorganized to attack a large block of inhabitants of zeros. You are undisciplined to mobilize a large fleet or to nastproit production on an industrial scale. You do not know how to live in large teams, your whole game, like a browser, went for 2-3 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savotien_valpurgis/32/170543_2.png) [@Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savotien_Valpurgis)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1265 "2019-07-27T20:39:17Z")
Stay organized and phil the form [[Album] Imgur ![](https://i.imgur.com/.jpg?fb "Imgur") ](https://imgur.com/a/a3umXnW) ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1266 "2019-07-27T20:40:11Z")
And now you rejoice that having entered for 2-3 hours you find on the map a place of activity of people, without making any effort. Pass in 2-3 people the protective structures of nulevik (both informational and material) that were built and invented for years and a lot of people and now you say that the game has become more difficult? CCP has prepared everything for you. Search for victims is not necessary, there is a map, it is not necessary to scan, they are always on the mark. You couldn’t get together. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1267 "2019-07-27T20:51:24Z")
Ida, of course the big blocks do not want to fight. And to whom the hunt, if the construction of the cost of 700 million should be killed 14 days? This is if everything goes well. With loosening the clime? The whole constellation to twist and then kill the IHUB for a week? Interestingly, why does a large alliance have so many titans and supercapitals? Or maybe because in the next major battle for mass harassment at a locale of 3,000 people, the server just fell and saved those super? And then you ask, but why does this superblock not want to fight? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=61) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=63)