# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1577 "2019-07-31T17:43:02Z")
У вас есть ограниченное количество времени в этой жизни. Когда-нибудь ты умрешь. Не тратьте свое время на то, что не приносит вам радости. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1578 "2019-07-31T18:20:44Z")
Gesundtheit. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1579 "2019-07-31T18:26:48Z")
Hey, that’s a more diplomatic response than one of our German FCs would’ve offered. His answer to the Cyrillic would’ve been ‘vodka vodka vodka stop using moon-letters vodka’. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1580 "2019-07-31T19:25:40Z")
Wasn’t complainin’, just sayin’, when people start rambling in Cyrillic or even just foreign languages in general on the English speaking side of the site, I mostly just sit back and nod sagely as I imagine them rattling off a series of very complicated sneezes. It ups the entertainment value while preserving just a little bit of faith in humanity overall. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_TLA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_tla/32/205546_2.png) [@Anna\_TLA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_TLA)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1581 "2019-07-31T21:03:17Z")
Ok since you stupid devs think this null no local thing is so awesome can you at least make some accommodations for the players you effed over with this change? Give us a free move of out stuff to hi sec, look you COMPLETELY changed the game for us 2-3 hour a day folks in null, while ignoring the real problem, macros under umbrellas. I do not have this always on group of friends who can pull super carriers at will, so I have to try and play careful and now I miss the gate wardens log/go afk (guys who report activity in intel as hostiles pass through) I am vulnerable and basically need to log or ship spin. One account went alpha assume other is to follow soon. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1582 "2019-07-31T21:39:26Z")
> [@Anna\_TLA](#): > > Ok since you stupid devs think this null no local thing is so awesome can you at least make some accommodations for the players you effed over with this change? No. They’re not there. That’s why these are the changes we’re seeing. It’s summer in Iceland. Everyone’s on freakin’ vacation. They’ll be back to a full crew at the end of August. Probably. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_TLA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_tla/32/205546_2.png) [@Anna\_TLA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_TLA)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1583 "2019-07-31T21:55:21Z")
Two of them were jobbering away about how awesome this was in an interview and basically called all the people who said they were quitting liars. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1584 "2019-07-31T22:00:26Z")
> [@Anna\_TLA](#): > > and basically called all the people who said they were quitting liars. Which is fair, because it’s usually not the first time most of those people have headed to the forum to announce that they’re quitting over a mechanical change. Hell, it’s usually not even the second, third, fourth, or fifth time, for that matter. It’s just their thing that they do, and then they see that it’s really not all that bad and life goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1585 "2019-07-31T22:10:21Z")
> [@Anna\_TLA](#): > > Two of them Three, in fact. Hilmar (CEO), Falcon (Community Manager) and Goodfella (Brand Manager). Notice how none of those are the _actual_ Game Developers? ---
**Author:** ![Inir\_Ishtori](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inir_ishtori/32/377401_2.png) [@Inir\_Ishtori](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inir_Ishtori)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1586 "2019-07-31T14:34:37Z")
Now that Blackout runs for some time already, I’d like to ask the Eve players about a couple of things that left me wondering a bit for some time(a couple of years already, tbh). 1. Do you regard hammering of the D-Scan button every couple of seconds(for half an hour or longer) good/enjoyable gameplay? Let’s assume no rule-breaking automation is involved. 2. The argument against automatic D-Scan for everyone was always that it will kill the servers. But when everybody has to spam it anyways, what’s the point about it staying manual? 3. If no local is so awesome, why aren’t there more people in wormhole space? At least not in the lower class ones with exits to high and low sec? 4. With the Blockout now running, do you consider cloaky ships balanced in terms of somewhat even chances between the hunter and the hunted? Let’s assume same ships size/class. 5. Do you consider pay EvE “pay to win”? What about a player with a single account in a single ship having to fight off another, but with 5+ accounts and as many ships. Let’s say 1 “dps” ships vs 3 (potentially cloaky) dps ships with 1 logi and 1 ewar. Not pay to win? And if you bring 3-4 buddies with as many ships, but the multi-account guy also has his 3-4 buddies with 5 ships each, still not pay to win? This is not a feedback thread on my behalf, as I am a fairly inactive Alpha right now. I’m just asking some questions I wanted to ask for some time. With no drama, no “I quit”, no “Unsubscribed my 20 accounts” - just some straightforward opinions pls. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1587 "2019-07-31T14:39:11Z")
Better questions: Why couldn’t you post this in the Black out thread? and why didn’t you just name it “make Null safer again, I don’t want to adapt to a risk that is equal to the rewards” ---
**Author:** ![Inir\_Ishtori](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inir_ishtori/32/377401_2.png) [@Inir\_Ishtori](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inir_Ishtori)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1588 "2019-07-31T14:45:38Z")
These are the questions I wanted to ask since wormholes were introduced, but for some reason did not bother to. Now even more people **have to** live with similar mechanics and I thought that maybe it’s the right time to ask. As I said, I’m inactive right now, so I do not care too much about the drama, I just genuinely interested in opinions. The other thread is about feedback, this is just me asking other players. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1589 "2019-07-31T14:52:13Z")
Well to answer your questions, firstly null without Local is nothing like WH space so your questions relating to them being similar are meaningless. D-scan is a great mechanic as you choose your risk. mash the Dscan or don’t. As to Auto dscan that is like saying I want it safer. As to multi accounts, CCP is a business. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1591 "2019-07-31T14:54:33Z")
Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1592 "2019-07-31T14:55:19Z")
> [@A couple of questions related to Blackout](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-questions-related-to-blackout/179387/1): > > - Do you regard hammering of the D-Scan button every couple of seconds(for half an hour or longer) good/enjoyable gameplay? Let’s assume no rule-breaking automation is involved. > - The argument against automatic D-Scan for everyone was always that it will kill the servers. But when everybody has to spam it anyways, what’s the point about it staying manual? It’s fine. I’m all for CCP experimenting with new or different types of intel or proximity detectors, but the way dscan currently works at least has some game play around it. > [@A couple of questions related to Blackout](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-questions-related-to-blackout/179387/1): > > - If no local is so awesome, why aren’t there more people in wormhole space? At least not in the lower class ones with exits to high and low sec? How do you know there aren’t? There is no local and the ESI doesn’t report any such stats. But probably the simpler answer is that krabs like their safety and local gave them a 100% effective method to avoid PvP. Why would they have gone anywhere else? > [@A couple of questions related to Blackout](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-questions-related-to-blackout/179387/1): > > With the Blockout now running, do you consider cloaky ships balanced in terms of somewhat even chances between the hunter and the hunted? Let’s assume same ships size/class. Seem pretty balanced to me. Covops are quite squishy compared to their class. Arguably cynos and jumping have some issue and may need addressing, but cloaky ships don’t stand a chance in a straight up fair fight with another of their class. Their main advantage is to pick the fight. > [@A couple of questions related to Blackout](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-questions-related-to-blackout/179387/1): > > Do you consider pay EvE “pay to win”? What about a player with a single account in a single ship having to fight off another, but with 5+ accounts and as many ships. Let’s say 1 “dps” ships vs 3 (potentially cloaky) dps ships with 1 logi and 1 ewar. Not pay to win? And if you bring 3-4 buddies with as many ships, but the multi-account guy also has his 3-4 buddies with 5 ships each, still not pay to win? Eve is “pay to progress/advance” and has been since PLEX were introduced over a decade ago. And yes, multiboxing gives you a massive advantage given how power scales and how there are no artificial mechanism to balance the sides. That open nature also probably means Eve can never be truly “Pay to Win” in the conventional sense, but you definitely can pay for advantage, or maybe more regularly, be up against a player or players who just have amassed more power in game then you by playing more/longer. The simple solution is just to find some friends. With enough of those, even the fattest whale with the biggest credit card is no threat to you! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1593 "2019-07-31T14:59:55Z")
1 Yes. Ever done Exploration somewhere you arent welcome? 2 Control. How do you do a 30 degree 2 AU dscan if its automatic? 3 Because its extremely limited in living space 4 Yes 5 No ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1594 "2019-07-31T15:01:15Z")
Also when you say Cloaky, do you really mean Recon Cruisers? If so then yes ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1595 "2019-07-31T15:08:43Z")
> [@A couple of questions related to Blackout](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-couple-of-questions-related-to-blackout/179387/1): > > If no local is so awesome, why aren’t there more people in wormhole space? At least not in the lower class ones with exits to high and low sec? The dishonesty of suggesting that WHs are just “null without local” has grown tiresome. It’s a lie. You know it’s a lie, we know it’s a lie, the devs know it’s a lie, and so it’s difficult to understand what you’re trying to accomplish by asking such a disingenuous question, apart from giving everyone the very accurate impression that you’re a dishonest person with an agenda, and not someone attempting to get to the truth of the matter. Wormholes come with a multitude of additional properties/features/difficulties. -Weather effects -You better like scanning, you’re going to do it a lot -Logistics are inherently more difficult -While the income can be quite good for smaller numbers of people, it doesn’t scale as easily to support thousands of people -No supers whatsoever -No R64s -No cynos And that is by no means an exhaustive list. Trying to bamboozle everyone with this, “if no local so gud, whycome wormhole so empty?” horseshit is just ■■■■■■■ asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1596 "2019-07-31T18:48:26Z")
Letting free Alpha post on forums other than NCQ&A was a bad move, ccp. OP, reddit is waiting for your posts! ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1597 "2019-07-31T19:19:30Z")
Personally i have never liked wormholes. Spend some time in there mostly hunting in 0.0 but have never liked it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=77) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=79)