# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/145 "2019-07-19T09:28:54Z")
To add to your point, and I did post the same thing in the previous thread. This blackout is basically bringing us back to the days before Fozzy sov and basically makes the game take a 5 years step back… ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/146 "2019-07-19T09:30:14Z")
> [@Meditril](#): > > the AFK cloaker preventing any activity in a whole System oh so you think they are not there now that you can’t see them 👀 AFK cloakers are more psychological warfare than anything else. now that you can’t see them the psychological effects of seeing a target in local is gone, for some 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/147 "2019-07-19T09:31:23Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > 70% of players never leave highsec. Jin’taan was specifically authorized by Guard to release that data point earlier this year. That means that if this _completely_ craters nullsec, CCP still has _at least_ 70% of their players, plus anyone in lowsec or anyone who just moved out of null but kept playing. 70% of players number can have many interpretations: characters, accounts, linked to a single player bulk of accounts. We dont know for sure. There could be many factors that will skew your conclusion, for example: - 99.9% of nullseccers have at least a Jita alt, right? Does CCP count them in those 70%? - New players that try the game and decide that it is not for them technically never leave HS as well. With a 4.09% retention rate. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/148 "2019-07-19T09:43:51Z")
HEY if you want to Rat , and Mine with relative safety in Null do it in systems covered by your home fleets, makes thing 10 times easier for you and 10 times harder for the would be Hunters, this note brought to you by the Interstellar Common Sense Board. In future attempts to to stop drone botting , make all drone actions have to be active rather then passive, get rid of the easy prey and make the PVP crowd have what they want harder to find intelligent Anom runners and Miners. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/149 "2019-07-19T09:52:00Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > 70% of players If a _player_, the person at the keyboard, has a character on an account that leaves highsec, that _player_ has left highsec. 70% of **players** never leave highsec. It’s really not open to interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![Sophia\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sophia_mileghere/32/381201_2.png) [@Sophia\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sophia_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/150 "2019-07-19T10:00:44Z")
You didn’t answer a few important things in your idea. There are factors like - amount of players available (different times zones, real life etc.) - enough good rewarding sites for all - Are some ready to stand awake and while others earn ISK? Even if it is shared, it is sometimes very boring and I doubt that he just wants to turn his ship. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/151 "2019-07-19T10:02:02Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > 70% of players Maybe it would be good to not call the things that CCP counts players and instead use the proper term: Characters. For instance, there are not 17273 players online at the moment, but 17273 characters. If there actually were 17273 players online, we would not have any of the issues. It would help the discussion immensely if people would stop using deceptive terminology. ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/152 "2019-07-19T10:06:49Z")
couldn’t agree more, the blackout has affected my game play a lot and in a negative way as a casual player in a small semi independent null alliance. there would be far more pvp if the umbrellas was removed/alterd and also if there were more semi indipendant null sec groups… but instead the 1337 pvp players cry they need more content so ccp takes away from the casual players who like to relax, chill, [and do some pvp] in the small null sec empire they built for them selfs. every one seams to rage about the blue donut but that’s what letting bots run wild and that’s what taking pvp out of null… the 1337 pvp players need to use there brains instead of spamming f1 ---
**Author:** ![SPAECMARNIES](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spaecmarnies/32/280901_2.png) [@SPAECMARNIES](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SPAECMARNIES)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/153 "2019-07-19T10:07:56Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Don’t be silly. _We_ only have PCU. _They_ have ‘how long did they login?’. You don’t even need to select a character to claim the SP from this part of the event. So anyone who wasn’t going to login anyway should be spending no more than 30 seconds at login screen, and then disconnect. Yeah that’s a fair point actually. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/154 "2019-07-19T10:08:08Z")
Those are all just random factors , or how a person might play . I said something that could make it easier for people struggling and help the other factors they have to learn to take into account for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Amanda\_Orion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amanda_orion/32/140284_2.png) [@Amanda\_Orion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amanda_Orion)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/155 "2019-07-19T10:09:16Z")
Who do you think is going to pay a subscription to watch for gate flashes for 4 hours at a time? ---
**Author:** ![Migorn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/migorn/32/148899_2.png) [@Migorn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Migorn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/156 "2019-07-19T10:11:02Z")
‘brought to you by the Interstellar Common Sense Board’ lol looks like they need new staff then because what you said is total BS ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/157 "2019-07-19T10:13:10Z")
Once upon a time, anyone claiming to live in Null claimed to be an elite pvp player. I wonder what changed 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/158 "2019-07-19T10:14:50Z")
> [@Amanda\_Orion](#): > > Who do you think is going to pay a subscription to watch for gate flashes for 4 hours at a time? watch for gate flash, watch an intel channel, i’ll take watching a gate over a text channel anyday. it’s made things a hell of a lot more interesting don’t ya think 😉 ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/159 "2019-07-19T10:18:52Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Once upon a time, anyone claiming to live in Null claimed to be an elite pvp player. > > I wonder what changed that’s complete rubbish and fishing for a reaction. some would even calling it trolling. 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/160 "2019-07-19T10:20:01Z")
No it isnt. You keep making statements as daft as mine for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Sabriz\_Adoudel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabriz_adoudel/32/14017_2.png) [@Sabriz\_Adoudel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabriz_Adoudel)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/161 "2019-07-19T10:21:04Z")
Chaos is good for the game. Makes things more interesting. IMO it should go permanent in some regions, with the status of a given region able to be influenced somewhat, but not completely, by player action. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/162 "2019-07-19T10:25:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No it isnt. yes it is total rubbish and you know it, come on 🙄 there is all types of pilots in null, i’ve heard more claim to be noobs in PVP than elite. what’s ya beef with null anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/163 "2019-07-19T10:25:16Z")
> [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > Goonswarm isn’t “superior” This doesn’t seem to be consistent with observed reality. > [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > Goons can just out blob anyone with F1 monkeys until attrition takes its toll. Attrition wears down large forces moreso than small ones, undisciplined ones moreso than disciplined ones, worse organized ones moreso than better organized ones, less motivated ones moreso than more motivated ones, etc. I’m sure you would never want to admit, especially not in the face of all the Goons that might read this, that they are superior, but the thought has to at least go through your mind. Maybe they are better. Maybe acknowledging the possibility that you aren’t already “best” is the first step toward self-improvement. But, then, there is no “real” need to do that since . . . It’s just a game™. Right? > [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](#): > > definitely don’t live in null . . . you don’t live in NULL What is there in null sec space that I should go live there? You? LOL Your neutral security status tells me that you don’t live in null, either. In fact, it indicates to me that you don’t even undock. So, by your own criterion, maybe no one should listen to you about ANYTHING related to EVE that doesn’t involve being docked in a station. Your elitism is showing. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/164 "2019-07-19T10:26:36Z")
You should probably reread it. I dont have a beef. I just like to see entitled whiners be miserable. Is that a crime? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=9)