# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1638 "2019-08-01T18:08:56Z")
I’ve got mixed feelings for this change. I like both worlds - I like to build stuff and I like to blow up stuff, and I love the Submarinewarfare in Wormholes. So, let’s cmompare Nullsec with Wormholes: Wormhole: -“Delayed” Local -only a fixed amount of Mass can fit through a Wormhole depending on the WH-Size -No Stargates -Wormhole Entries collpase after a specific amount of Mass or Time and spawn somewhere else -High Risk, High Reward Ratting, especially Class 5 & 6 Wormholes (2b+ isk/h with a Dread fittet for 6b) -Hard to Locate -You can’t jump into a WH with a Jump Drive -No Supercapitals -Moongoo Nullsec: -Has Stargates -Supercapitals -Moderate to High Risk, Low Reward Ratting (Compared to J-Space Ratting) 200m isk/h with a 20b+ Ship -Moongoo -Easy to reach with Cynos -Cloaky Camping -Enemy can bring in infinite reinforcements I can understand that people are angry, since pretty much every Nerf in the last few years affected only Players living in Null. Supercapital Ratting is pretty much pointless compared to Dread-Ratting in J-Space. Risking 20 Billion ISK for 200 mio isk/h compared to 6 billion ISK for 2 BILLION+ ISK/h is just a joke, especially with the broken Drifters in Null at the Moment. Also, people who are living in J-Space don’t need to worry about getting hotdroped, and cloaky camping is already a pest in Nullsec without a real Countermechanic. I’m an Industrialist, and I do 95% of my crabbing by daytripping to empty Wormholes, so this event won’t affect me, but I can understand the anger from the Miners/Ratters. If this Event will be permanent I fear that this great game might loose 50% of the Playerbase and will die eventually. As an Event only however I think this will be great. Sincerly, Renegade Void ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1639 "2019-08-01T18:27:42Z")
> **[Aaron | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/161224462/)** > > Aaron: 251 ships destroyed and 394 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1640 "2019-08-01T18:29:59Z")
> [@AnatanD\_Airin](#): > > Supercapital Ratting is pretty much pointless compared to Dread-Ratting in J-Space. Risking 20 Billion ISK for 200 mio isk/h compared to 6 billion ISK for 2 BILLION+ ISK/h is just a joke, especially with the broken Drifters in Null at the Moment. Ok, just to have this said **again** , because you clearly didn’t get it last time you posted this exact post: **The Drifters are not doing squat in null.** They were active for 5 days over a 10-day period, then stopped completely. 4 days _after that_, the Blackout went in. **THERE IS NO UNUSUAL DRIFTER ACTIVITY IN NULLSEC RIGHT NOW AND HAS NOT BEEN FOR WEEKS.** Next: 6b ISK for 2b/h. Great! How many hours can you do that for? Cuz I can put my super out there ratting for 16h a day, every day, _and_ get a good night’s sleep. I’ve got a cyno on it. I’ve got a few hundred guys waiting to jump on anything that attacks me (or any other ratting super in Delve). I do not think you have the first clue what you’re talking about when it comes to the potential for making money in the current conditions. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1641 "2019-08-01T18:38:36Z")
Put super for 16 hours? And get enough sleep? The subcap will not live even 2 hours, even by pressing D-Scan. Super unattended? No more than 3 hours. Without an umbrella, he will die in 2 hours. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1642 "2019-08-01T18:42:58Z")
I really miss the friendly o7 or o/ in local as we fly through nearby space. NULL really seems cold now. ---
**Author:** ![Vanislevagabond](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vanislevagabond/32/269114_2.png) [@Vanislevagabond](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vanislevagabond)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1643 "2019-08-01T20:42:53Z")
Yes I totally agree null space feels empty until combat probes come on dscan, Our corp used to hold weekly moon mining ops and I lost count of the pilots from local chat that accepted Van’s fleet invite and joined us. Now my alt mines alone in a dead end with eyes on the gate. Even my own corpmates rarely join. Our gatecamps saw more traffic the first week then it died off except for the big structure bash fleets. Fun event but as a lifestyle it sucks. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1644 "2019-08-01T21:03:01Z")
> [@i\_want\_missions](#): > > Instead of a delayed local like in WH space, why not update the list of people every 5 minutes I already suggested this when i was pushing it a few months ago (which brought about this change). I was explicit when i said “both wh and null should go to a 5 or 10 minute delayed timer that shows people after that period” “wh based local is bad for the game and having to spam dscan is bad game development” ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1645 "2019-08-01T21:04:36Z")
> [@Vanislevagabond](#): > > Yes I totally agree null space feels empty until combat probes come on dscan, Our corp used to hold weekly moon mining ops and I lost count of the pilots from local chat that accepted Van’s fleet invite and joined us Dscan should be utterly removed from the game, its out dated and tacky game design. ---
**Author:** ![Sindrakin\_Gorion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindrakin_gorion/32/254940_2.png) [@Sindrakin\_Gorion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindrakin_Gorion)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1646 "2019-08-01T21:16:54Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > its out dated and tacky game design I enjoy it more than probing - when im scanning something down that is. Hitting my spacebar over and over again for no appearent reason is dumb and the sound it makes gets super annoying after the 500th time. ---
**Author:** ![Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savotien_valpurgis/32/170543_2.png) [@Savotien\_Valpurgis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savotien_Valpurgis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1647 "2019-08-01T21:17:19Z")
PVP is not consansual, deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1648 "2019-08-01T22:07:32Z")
> [@AnatanD\_Airin](#): > > Put super for 16 hours? And get enough sleep? > The subcap will not live even 2 hours, even by pressing D-Scan. Super unattended? No more than 3 hours. Without an umbrella, he will die in 2 hours. This is a really good. Its risk vs reward. risk the super, you die. This is the ultimate counter to goon botting. Super good change. #death to goons and their whiney forum alts ---
**Author:** ![Nimrodz2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nimrodz2/32/409598_2.png) [@Nimrodz2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nimrodz2)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1649 "2019-08-01T22:09:27Z")
null was safer then high because of bad CCP game decisions. Mainly around the idea of capitals ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1650 "2019-08-01T22:09:31Z")
> [@Sindrakin\_Gorion](#): > > I enjoy it more than probing - when im scanning something down that is. > Hitting my spacebar over and over again for no appearent reason is dumb and the sound it makes gets super annoying after the 500th time. Shifting probing to take over the tracking down mechanic is a much better way to do it, its much less tedious, much more powerful and accurate. On top of that, it also can validate a ship class with some minor tweaks (like a -50% reduction in probe scan times, so that you can probe people down insanely fast). This will shift inteceptors back into a forward scouting roll, but allow covert ops to do the real-in system scouting making them both viable scouts for different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1651 "2019-08-01T22:15:01Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > This is a really good. Its risk vs reward. risk the super, you die. > This is the ultimate counter to goon botting. Super good change. > > #death to goons and their whiney forum alts Uh, that guy isn’t a goon. This is a goon: > [@Arrendis](#): > > Next: 6b ISK for 2b/h. Great! How many hours can you do that for? Cuz I can put my super out there ratting for 16h a day, every day, _and_ get a good night’s sleep. I’ve got a cyno on it. I’ve got a few hundred guys waiting to jump on anything that attacks me (or any other ratting super in Delve). > > I do not think you have the first clue what you’re talking about when it comes to the potential for making money in the current conditions. Note the general, “I don’t give a ■■■■ because I have a massive super umbrella so this barely affects me,” tenor. ---
**Author:** ![Sindrakin\_Gorion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindrakin_gorion/32/254940_2.png) [@Sindrakin\_Gorion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindrakin_Gorion)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1652 "2019-08-01T22:15:39Z")
Its easyer, yes but i simply like the ‘tactility’ of d-scanning. Also with d-scan all you need is an alt in a Victorieux Luxury Yacht - perfectly safe and you can create the perfect warp in spot for your main. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1653 "2019-08-01T22:20:13Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Note the general, “I don’t give a ■■■■ because I have a massive super umbrella so this barely affects me,” tenor. S’truth. And, while we’re at it, let’s keep in mind that when CCP Peligro released the Pie Chart of Shame, Goonswarm _didn’t appear at all_ on the list of 25 alliances with the most bots. Biggest alliance in the game. Not even in the top 25 for the number of botting asswipes who need to get banned. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1654 "2019-08-01T22:30:02Z")
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ckskep/the\_most\_vibrant\_concern\_trolling\_of\_the\_past\_5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ckskep/the_most_vibrant_concern_trolling_of_the_past_5/) Worth taking a look at. Someone _reasonably_ competent - Edit: It’s Suitipuffs/Cutiepuffs, just sayin’ - when it comes to Eve in general takes a bit of a look at public statistics. To my tastes, this is far too little to base any significant conclusions on as it’s too short and unreliable a data set that hasn’t really gotten to grips with the “new normal” numbers after adaptation is done. However, it does hint and indicate a bit, and it’s very worth noting that the skies have - to everyone’s surprise I’m sure - not actually fallen. _Nullsec_ PvP numbers are _up_ compared to the last couple of years, with highsec and lowsec being the places dropping in activity, which again shouldn’t be particularly surprising given the wardec changes and the perpetual abandonment of lowsec/FW by CCP’s attention. We still need another month’s financial reports throughout nullsec, and several weeks of “new normal” data when it comes to usage of space, PvP and subscription numbers in general, but the experiment looks like it can very easily continue on without any danger of killing the patient. Interesting. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Not even in the top 25 for the number of botting asswipes who need to get banned. I would spend less time being proud of that, given that your Dear Leader declared reporting botters among you was " Goonfuckin’ ", remember? That list of banned botters might just be a good indicator of who reports the bastards in their midst more than who bots the most. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1655 "2019-08-01T22:32:56Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > That list of banned botters might just be a good indicator of who reports the bastards in their midst more than who bots the most. It was not. Peligro was pretty clear about that: reporting botters _helps_, but CCP is perfectly capable of finding them regardless. And what Mittens said was to let Team Security _do their job_. You don’t keep a group cohesive by going on internal witch-hunts and encouraging people to go trying to get their alliance-mates banned because you don’t like that they got to an anom first. And that’s _exactly_ the sort of bull we’d have to deal with if he hadn’t said that. Goons are a bunch of trolls and assholes, _especially_ to one another. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1656 "2019-08-01T22:40:00Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And what Mittens said was to let Team Security _do their job_ . He literally used the word goonfuckin’. Reporting botters for Team Security to investigate is very much part of helping them do their job. The function exists for a reason, and wouldn’t even be there if CCP could do just as well without it. Calling that witch-hunts and prioritizing “group cohesion” over _getting rid of botters_ says more than enough about how things work in Delve. It will never cease to amaze me how you always talk about human nature and justifying what’s done by player organizations out in null that way and so on… and then go on to somehow pretend _your_ particular organization, the largest one, filled with ostensibly _humans_ and their attendant nature… but somehow _they_ don’t use any bots. The only large scale organization in Eve to somehow not do it. That doesn’t seem like a very reasonable stance to take, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1657 "2019-08-01T22:56:43Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > The only large scale organization in Eve to somehow not do it. You know who else wasn’t on that chart? Literally ever other large combat alliance in null. Not Horde, Not TEST, not NCdot, not nobody. _Renters_ were on that list. The only large scale organization in EVE to somehow not do it? Screw that noise. Nobody who expects people to actually fleet up and get their hands dirty made the list. So nice narrative, but your holier-than-thou nonsense don’t fit the data. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e7f2e5590d119edc837c3034cfde76779c03732.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=80) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=82)