# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410 "2019-07-18T19:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1980 "2019-08-07T03:02:57Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Uhm… you realize a lot of that is purely because of the shorter _interval_ , right? > > Seriously, do a 2 week window anywhere on the chart and it will be dramatically lower than a longer interval across the same time frame. Reason being that the population is getting “bucketed” into larger time periods as the interval increases, effectively averaging out the 0 value every day at downtime. When you’re at the shortest interval, this suppresses the apparent average no matter where you’re looking at the chart. > > If you want to do an actual comparison, you have to compare the same interval at different points in time. In this case, the averages are too different. The fall in the average at the end of the period is very significant. Unfortunately, the service does not provide an opportunity to analyze in more detail. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1981 "2019-08-07T03:07:09Z")
Here’s a 1 year interval chart of 2016. Look, 34k average! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/a/3a96a115580cf9d654c3eddec6e19eec0870fbb7.png) Now let’s do a very short interval (3 weeks, which was as close as I could get with the granularity on the slider), and I’m even going to position it as closely as possible to the PCU '16 marker. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/e/ae9949fe58422f4a2e2a54b9d89748dc322ca744.png) Oops, only 23K now, in a year that averaged 34K, when we’re taking a snapshot that includes the PEAK of that year. Turns out that having a bunch of unsmoothed 0s in there drops the apparent average by a third. TL;DR learn to graph. > [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > Unfortunately, the service does not provide an opportunity to analyze in more detail. Pull the data from it and analyze it yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1982 "2019-08-07T03:09:44Z")
Please show a minimum of last year and this year ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1983 "2019-08-07T03:11:12Z")
Also, I’m not saying the population hasn’t declined. I’m saying the mechanism you’ve used to measure that decline is wrong for what should have been an extremely obvious reason. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1984 "2019-08-07T03:13:47Z")
I made an analysis based on the resources provided. It is difficult to analyze in more detail in the absence of data. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1985 "2019-08-07T03:15:57Z")
In any case, it is obvious that the decline in online over the past 5 years has not been as strong as over the past year. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1986 "2019-08-07T03:19:43Z")
It is obvious that over time there is a decline in online, as with an increase in the duration of statistics, the average indicator increases. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1987 "2019-08-07T03:25:35Z")
> [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > In any case, it is obvious that the decline in online over the past 5 years has not been as strong as over the past year. Oh? The 2017 high was over 47,000 and the 2017 low actually dips below today’s numbers to around 31,500, a drop off of about 1/3. By comparison, the summer dip in 2019 is only down about 25% from the (current) 2019 peak. PCU has been on the decline for years but, no, there’s nothing extraordinary about the present numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1988 "2019-08-07T03:32:21Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Oh? > > The 2017 high was over 47,000 and the 2017 low actually dips below today’s numbers to around 31,500, a drop off of about 1/3. > > By comparison, the summer dip in 2019 is only down about 25% from the (current) 2019 peak. > > PCU has been on the decline for years but, no, there’s nothing extraordinary about the present numbers. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/4/a4af0dbbbff3395efc2a8370cf132c6c36383537.png) Over the past 36 hours online has been 18k. What kind of 31.5 are we talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1989 "2019-08-07T03:36:35Z")
> [@Zeta\_Trild](#): > > Over the past 36 hours online has been 18k. What kind of 31.5 are we talking about? Since you’re not getting this whole “smoothing” thing, here’s 36 hours in 2016 when it was only 17K. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/9/f9902e09fdbe1120a2b4380c99d9bfb1b35264c2.png) To be fair, I’m sure someone was looking at the chart then and, similarly, screaming about how the game would be dead in a year. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1990 "2019-08-07T03:40:02Z")
2016 to do with it? This minimum figure did not even particularly affect the 5-year average. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1991 "2019-08-07T03:45:20Z")
![%D0%A1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/f/5f3a35649aa4399314ad8e818a10c847b9190565.png) In 2004 it was 8k. So you want to say that after the introduction of the blackout, there has been an increase in online? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1992 "2019-08-07T03:47:17Z")
It was an attempt to utilize a very basic concept that you’re not grasping about arithmetic. If you haven’t gotten it by this point, there probably isn’t much hope for you. ---
**Author:** ![Zeta\_Trild](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeta_trild/32/145975_2.png) [@Zeta\_Trild](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeta_Trild)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1993 "2019-08-07T03:49:13Z")
My post with numbers is obvious that there is a gradual decline in online in eva. And in the last year is especially strong. And I suspect that if such idiotic updates continue, then online will fall even more, which will lead to shutdown of the EVE online server. ---
**Author:** ![Oberdon\_Shadow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oberdon_shadow/32/146059_2.png) [@Oberdon\_Shadow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oberdon_Shadow)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1994 "2019-08-07T04:10:50Z")
Proof is here: [https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) ---
**Author:** ![My\_111](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/my_111/32/226240_2.png) [@My\_111](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/My_111)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1995 "2019-08-07T04:12:40Z")
**Mylocal0016** Aug 7, 03:57 UTC I think this edition has changed This change only targets the bottom players, making us poorer and poorer Despite the short-term results But in-game Kimby is mainly in the hands of the game’s rich, landlord class players Game currency appreciation The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and poorer I think it’s too difficult to survive now.I need to devote more time to PVE And there are even greater risks.I suggest that the official statistics of the proportion of gold in the game is mainly in the hands of which players，To make new changes，You can redo all 00 regional copies With new local channel plug-ins such as anti-induction, and communication plug-ins can only choose one，Wait a minute. If you think my suggestion is OK, I have more ideas.I wish you a pleasant job. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1996 "2019-08-07T04:15:25Z")
Okay. I’ve marked the first day of the blackout in red. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/1/21c6d75d60f28158ca49d499e7b4b47bf8e5f2d3.png) I’m not even going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. You’re just lying. 🤷‍♀️ PCU has been really quite flat since the onset of the blackout. The 13,000 player drop you’re lying about would be a phenomenal slope over the course of 1 month. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1997 "2019-08-07T04:24:41Z")
July August this year 21K Same period last year 24K Year before 26K I’d say that considering the data does not show whether a player is new old a bot or multi boxer - CCP stated in their little show that recruitment of new players is up for the first time in 5 years. Which could be good except. To me the available data is saying - There is less established players online. If a change to the game is bringing in new blood, that is great but if at the same time that change is encouraging established players to not play. Especially as it seems even with all these new players we have the lowest login count over the last 3 years - Well, you work it out… Out with the old and in with the new is ok for a pair of jeans, not good for a game of this size with so few active players… ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1998 "2019-08-07T04:26:26Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > July August this year 21K > Same period last year 24K > Year before 26K > > I’d say that considering the data does not show whether a player is new old a bot or multi boxer - CCP stated in their little show that recruitment of new players is up for the first time in 5 years. > Which could be good except. > To me the available data is saying - There is less established players online. Yes, we know there are fewer players online. That has been true year over year for the last _several years_ . We’re aware of the trend. It’s not new information. There are not the _number_ of fewer players online that is indicated by comparing daily averages from 0 to peak Vs smoothed averages-of-averages that span from 15-20K to peak. ---
**Author:** ![Oberdon\_Shadow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oberdon_shadow/32/146059_2.png) [@Oberdon\_Shadow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oberdon_Shadow)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410/1999 "2019-08-07T04:29:38Z")
In may and June Goons had a large portion of the game camped. This affected player activity. When drifters were introduced Goons pulled back to Delve to defend. About 2-3 weeks after that, Blackout happened. The activity levels should have returned to the June 3rd and before levels, but they didn’t. On Roughly July 7th you see a bump as activity starts to return to normal, then declines again with Blackout and has been declining since. For a reasonable measurement, you have to take out the exceptional modifiers. The peaks of player activity have not recovered as they should have. The lows are huge after blackout compared to before, these 2 items drastically affect the average. I stick by the 13,000. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=97) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread-part-deux/176410.md?page=99)