# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 159
**Author:** ![Messir\_Astaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/messir_astaroth/32/448074_2.png) [@Messir\_Astaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Messir_Astaroth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3216 "2019-07-06T21:30:28Z")
Jesus, so much salt, jesus. Have we ever had such a salt-generating thread, lul? I think, no never, lul. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3217 "2019-07-06T21:31:39Z")
Noooo > [@Tsero\_Tseronae](#): > > Hmmm, is it a bidding war? OK, my turn. Time for me, my wife, our kids and the dog to unsubscribe our 579 accounts. Thanks CCP. That dog was our best scout . . . . m ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3218 "2019-07-06T21:33:32Z")
Edited to remove spoiler, great video, would watch again. Everyone watch the video it is well worth the 5. 6 mins or so. ---
**Author:** ![DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamonddallas_paige/32/144209_2.png) [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DiamondDallas_Paige)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3219 "2019-07-06T21:35:00Z")
Theta don’t do luck bud, just overwhelming bosuns and DD’s ---
**Author:** ![Speedkermit\_Damo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/speedkermit_damo/32/144817_2.png) [@Speedkermit\_Damo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Speedkermit_Damo)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3220 "2019-07-06T21:35:02Z")
That’s actually a good idea ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Rage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_rage/32/145299_2.png) [@Fred\_Rage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Rage)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3221 "2019-07-06T21:35:50Z")
Your post is strange. You’re greatly overreacting about this change for some reason. Unless you’re an actual RMT botter, in which case your reaction makes sense. A normal player will not be much affected by the removal of nullsec local chat. If you’re part of a null alliance the danger just increase by a small amount. You may occasionally get caught out but you’ll still be earning much, much more than you lose on that odd occasion. Again, it’s the local dependent bots who are screwed by this, not normal active players. Why are you overreacting so much? Just a drama queen or are you hiding something? ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3222 "2019-07-06T21:35:53Z")
I can imagine good ol’ Brisc sitting back and looking at all the boards and chat channels, cold drink in hand, musing that perhaps as painful as earlier this year was for him, he “got out” just in time. Arrendis was right, though, the CSM continues its MIA record in the forums for another year in a row. Guess CCP needs to issue oven mitts to each new CSM group. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3223 "2019-07-06T21:40:25Z")
> [@loneworf](#): > > because you cant rat or mine ( many do this solo ) you cant afford to lose your stuff. if you want to do this solo go to highsec. To basically demand you have a secure and easy mining and ratting spot with the best resources and rats is ridiculous. Nullsec should be dangerous, local just makes it too save. HTFU ---
**Author:** ![Bedlicka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bedlicka/32/146397_2.png) [@Bedlicka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bedlicka)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3224 "2019-07-06T21:40:54Z")
8 years play eve online -low sec -hisec -wh space -0sec -pvp -pve -mining Every part game is good but in the last year I say it’s time to quit Why are you ruining the game CCP? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3225 "2019-07-06T21:43:59Z")
If you can’t hack it then get out of nullsec and go to lowsec or hisec or WH space. And I say that not as someone who likely couldn’t hack it, but as some one who thinks that playing the game of doing PvE when everything is balanced in favour of hunters is not fun. You can have fun and develop stuff in those other areas and see where the game goes, stop being so negative and adapt. So for me the balance of prey and hunter is now well in the favour of the hunter, but it does not mean I have to play that game. I play my game, what works for me, so do the same and stop being such negative whiners. Adapt change and find what you can get out of it. For many of you indy and producers and miners and ratters, consolidate your assets and I will see you in hisec. Remember this game is what you make of it for yourself. Then watch amused as the whining HTFU crowd follow you to hisec and whine it is too safe, like clockwork… ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3226 "2019-07-06T21:44:38Z")
Seriously, please stop talking. You’re obviously a dumbass that doesn’t realize that the very same information is in the game already but dotlan just makes a tad bit easier to visualize. Get rid of dotlan, could give two fucks. Just use ingame as its more accurate and up to date anyways. However, they could even do better by removing ability to log ingame intel channels, so that tools for lazy pricks like NEAR2, etc stop working. Give me that salt. ---
**Author:** ![loneworf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loneworf/32/146483_2.png) [@loneworf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/loneworf)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3227 "2019-07-06T21:45:59Z")
if you make it too dangoues no one can get resources to fuel your kill addition dude ---
**Author:** ![DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamonddallas_paige/32/144209_2.png) [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DiamondDallas_Paige)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3228 "2019-07-06T21:47:00Z")
Your lack of basic understanding of non block nullsec is the issue. I have said repeatedly, the Blocs (Goon/PanFam/Legacy) will not really find this change affecting them at a strategic level. Rorqs will still mine, Supers and Titans will still rat. Taxes will roll in, meme bosuns will get fired. Botters do not care about the change. They are the ones who will have 9-10 scouts watching gates and new bots programmed to respond to that intel. If anything it will force them into larger fleets of automated cruisers doing low value sites at less isk risk (hey now there is a thing … this change will make botters want MORE subs … I wonder who profits from that hmm?). AFK ratters do not care about the change. They are afk, they know that they could be killed at any point. The people who will be punished by this change are the multi account atk miners and ratters in smaller organisations that do not have the intel coverage or response coverage. To be brutal even at full commit my mining fleet would not cost more than 400 mil. I will make that in an hour of mining (give or take). BUT Do I really want to be bothered engaging in nullsec mining when I could get the same return in highsec (on a moon) at the risk of getting ganked by whatever attention deficit nullbears who masquerade as “leet highsec pvp” gankers? This change just feels like a big FU from CCP to NullsecFirst. ---
**Author:** ![Demon-of-Razgriz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demon-of-razgriz/32/146113_2.png) [@Demon-of-Razgriz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Demon-of-Razgriz)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3229 "2019-07-06T21:47:01Z")
you see if they remove those log they remove all chat logs for any and all chats as alliances would just use alliance chat and near2 would just monitor that or any of the other default logs ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3230 "2019-07-06T21:49:57Z")
> [@loneworf](#): > > if you make it too dangoues no one can get resources to fuel your kill addition dude If you want reduced danger go farm in highsec. If you want access to good resources you will have to take risks. The current nullsec with perfect free intel is no risk, it is too simple and has to go. People will still be able to farm. HTFU ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Rage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_rage/32/145299_2.png) [@Fred\_Rage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_Rage)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3231 "2019-07-06T21:50:10Z")
You just admitted that even if you died mining in nullsec you’d make back the losses within an hour. No issue here. ---
**Author:** ![loneworf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loneworf/32/146483_2.png) [@loneworf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/loneworf)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3232 "2019-07-06T21:51:25Z")
what if you mates arnt online to watch/ protect when your making isk… thats my point … if you kill the little guy the taxes dont role in because he cant sustain the loses. ---
**Author:** ![Lillith\_Sakata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lillith_sakata/32/255593_2.png) [@Lillith\_Sakata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lillith_Sakata)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3233 "2019-07-06T21:51:37Z")
Really? Wormholed much? Nah, you fuckin’ daytripped at best. Please recall that this game is all about stalking. There isn’t even a single jspace kill on your board that I can find. You account for only 0.1% of your corp’s kills. About the only thing that I see is you rock-crunch… ---
**Author:** ![DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diamonddallas_paige/32/144209_2.png) [@DiamondDallas\_Paige](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DiamondDallas_Paige)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3234 "2019-07-06T21:51:45Z")
Ah I see, just another Gen Zero troll. Move along, you have nothing worth discussing. ---
**Author:** ![Colonel\_Tosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/colonel_tosh/32/182858_2.png) [@Colonel\_Tosh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Colonel_Tosh)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/3235 "2019-07-06T21:53:00Z")
> It’s not going to do either. We, the big alliances, will be fine—one guy in a whole mining fleet can be tasked with watching d-scan. 50 rorqs covered by 3 scouts on the gates and the one guy in a HIC sitting in the center, watching his d-scan. > And much as I might wish otherwise, the botting trash out there will just alter their scripts. It’s actual people in small groups, who have to make more of an effort _per person_ , who’ll be most impacted. Absolutely true. Personally I would love to see constellation-based spawn ratio’s that favour smaller numbers for optimal use, so that content needs to be spread and the systems need to be ran. Increase the value of individual sites but decrease the spawn rate so that you need to balance out usage of space versus the size of groups. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=158) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=160)