# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 202
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4083 "2019-07-08T10:21:20Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > No, 100+ fleet shooting citadels is really not ‘content’. Nor is a nano fit orthrus that runs away the second it gets sensor damped by a Keres. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4084 "2019-07-08T10:22:45Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > excuse me we should have by now more than 100 thousand players online , By what metric are you saying we “should” have more than 100,000 ? ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4085 "2019-07-08T10:23:36Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > if you have space in nullsec you should be a pvp player full stop. > > THIS is why null groups can only benefit from these tools quitting. WTAF wants or needs players that use the space but dont help defend it? > > gtfo or htfu Yet delve is obviously full of people who do nothing but rorqual mine, by your logic they should be easy pickings. Let us know how that turns out. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4086 "2019-07-08T10:26:33Z")
by the rate at which eve was accruing new players in 2010 before sov costs for nullsec where changed by a factor of 10X due to a patch entierly designed to kill provi was applied to the server in december of that year…designed almost in the main by jade Consstantine. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4087 "2019-07-08T10:27:01Z")
> [@MonkeyChuff\_Auduin](#): > > So you may as well undock a frig, cruiser or whaever, have a fight (you never know you may win - mistakes get made) - when the fight is over, they’ll leave and you can get back to your ratting or mining. Job done. That’s probably going to end up a bit like this. [https://youtu.be/R4LQvPCuwbY?t=80](https://youtu.be/R4LQvPCuwbY?t=80) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4088 "2019-07-08T10:27:13Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > by the rate at which eve was accruing new players in 2010 before sov costs for nullsec where changed by a factor of 10X Do you have any evidence to support that something taking place back in 2010 would have had the results you are claiming now, or are you just pulling this all out of you nethers? ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4089 "2019-07-08T10:28:52Z")
> [@Traumer](#): > > So EVE is a product, CCP get a proper business oriented people who can research what the game needs and forward it for execution by the developers! Why did this make me think of EA? That big gathering where they announced that the next version of Diablo would be on phones and they whole room booooed! ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4090 "2019-07-08T10:31:01Z")
in mid 2010 eve was accruing every quarter between 2 and 5 k new average population online at prime time Growth. figure it for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4091 "2019-07-08T10:31:06Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > it is far better to have ten customers with 2 accounts… > than one with 12 accounts. Of course, ten customers who only log in their super and fax alt are much better for the health of the game than one guy with 12 mining barges. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4092 "2019-07-08T10:31:14Z")
You are right about Dominion, being one of the causes of the decline in player numbers, another was the change of the -25% ROF on destroyers which created a prey/hunter imbalance in hisec. I listened to the ex-leader of CVA and his thoughts were rather interesting especially in terms of Dominion which I thought was a truly dreadful system. That certain nullsec players had a hand in designing that surprises me not at all. > [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > what is this excess you speak of? Even though I liked the change to the Rorqual and it created a lot of fun content it enabled massive indy setups to over produce raw material resulting in massive capital proliferation. Add to that mix massive over productive ratting and we have what I refer to as the excess. The game cannot stand that and the overall balance has gone to pot. Problem is that there is no easy solution to this. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4093 "2019-07-08T10:31:49Z")
In truth you are both right. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4094 "2019-07-08T10:32:44Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > figure it for yourself. Ok, so you don’t have any evidence. Just like so many others, you’re just saying things, and when asked for evidence, you just tell them “look it up yourself”. Good to know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4095 "2019-07-08T10:32:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I listened to the ex-leader of CVA and his thoughts were rather interesting especially in terms of Dominion which I thought was a truly dreadful system. That certain nullsec players had a hand in designing that surprises me not at all. Dominion, the one with the who has the most towers wins? Which ex-CVA leader is this? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4096 "2019-07-08T10:33:37Z")
Dominion was the SBU system, with TCU’s and IHUB’s. Prioer to that smaller less well endowed entities could hold the line through sheer willpower, one such example is IRC and ED against Red Alliance and others. The ex-CVA leaders name begins with an A, I think @SeerinDarkness would be able to answer that question. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4097 "2019-07-08T10:35:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Dominion was the SBU system, with TCU’s and IHUB’s. Oh yeah, I head that’s were you would just get your ‘friend’ to SBU your own system, then take it down for 5 minutes and put it back up again, effectively forcing the invader to kill a SBU before being able to work on a TCU. Yeah… that sounds awful. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4098 "2019-07-08T10:35:46Z")
in all actuality u can probably look up the numbers somewhere my information is all emperical from playing steadily from the fall of 2006 8-12 hrs a day every day…so yes exctrapolate and figure it for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Pantela\_von\_Neusatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pantela_von_neusatz/32/146814_2.png) [@Pantela\_von\_Neusatz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pantela_von_Neusatz)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4099 "2019-07-08T10:36:20Z")
There is no EVE without null players and null economy. According to kill zkillboard last time you went to null sec was never…How you can be competent to say whats good or whats bad for null. Its easy to talk ■■■■ when you are not part of it. Remember all that ships you are losing or killing in lowsec are made by minerals from null, otherwise high sec miners would push price so high that one Merlin of Rifter would cost 10+ Million. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4100 "2019-07-08T10:36:41Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > steadily from the fall of 2006 8-12 hrs a day every day…so yes exctrapolate and figure it for yourself. So now you’re moving goalposts over to 2006. Ah, good to know. 🙂 Maybe if you keep moving goalposts back far enough, you’ll find some evidence to support your claim. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4101 "2019-07-08T10:37:13Z")
Aralis ---
**Author:** ![Urak\_Sukor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/urak_sukor/32/386894_2.png) [@Urak\_Sukor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Urak_Sukor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/4102 "2019-07-08T10:38:18Z")
As espected, the usual reply about saltiness had to find its way. High sec break for a few weeks now due to personal reasons. Enjoying for now the drama free environment with ISK to last for months from my ratting carebearing. So, im having fun waching the game burn. As said, time will tell. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=201) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=203)