# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 254
**Author:** ![Pantela\_von\_Neusatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pantela_von_neusatz/32/146814_2.png) [@Pantela\_von\_Neusatz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pantela_von_Neusatz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5129 "2019-07-10T17:03:22Z")
What about cloacked ships? Are they now visible on d-scan? How you can protect? ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5130 "2019-07-10T17:03:53Z")
Good luck trying to get that implemented, oh I know how about a Exhumer covert ops mining ship , hey maybe on to something there. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5131 "2019-07-10T17:04:26Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Hint for your plebian mind to comprehend; neither of those things have been removed. Oh really? Placing ONE bubble on each gate in a constellation is a full day job now, bots can probably manage that, humans - no. That’s removed. And where are my gravimetric SIGNATURES (hint, stupid ■■■■■, SINGATURES) are? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5132 "2019-07-10T17:04:38Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Local is not extra safety, all extra safety (bubbles and gravimetric sigs) was already removed from miners. LOL what a maroon, thinks things arent in game that are; tries to post on forums like their ‘in the know’ what a tool… no no, tools are useful. ---
**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5133 "2019-07-10T17:05:47Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Placing ONE bubble on each gate in a constellation is a full day job now, What the hell would you do that for??? Are you mental? ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5134 "2019-07-10T17:06:46Z")
I dont think hes right in the head no. ---
**Author:** ![Arolanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arolanis/32/384438_2.png) [@Arolanis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arolanis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5135 "2019-07-10T17:07:14Z")
That’s why you wait to see who de-cloaks after jumping the gate or have someone on the opposite side to see them before they jump. Also, are you kidding me? Why in bobs name would you think I meant warp away from every single gate flash… **HENCE THE SCOUT SITTING ON GRID TO SEE WHO DE-CLOAKS**!!!:parrotsleep::parrotsleep: ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5136 "2019-07-10T17:07:58Z")
> [@Turgun](#): > > What the hell would you do that for??? > Are you mental? Before we had two layers of miner defense. Local and bubbles. After that patch, only local could protect a barge. And we won’t put one, we’d put 7. But now, managing 7 is like a real job in terms of time consumed and danger involved. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5137 "2019-07-10T17:08:38Z")
welcome to how nullsec should be, go back to highsec where you belong - null is not for you. anyway what do you care, werent you unsubbed? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5138 "2019-07-10T17:09:23Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > welcome to how nullsec should be, go back to highsec where you belong - null is not for you. No, the nullsec should be dangerous. And right now, every aspect of danger has been removed from the ganktard. Nullsec should not be safe for ganktards. ---
**Author:** ![Ni\_Neith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ni_neith/32/182183_2.png) [@Ni\_Neith](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ni_Neith)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5139 "2019-07-10T17:10:41Z")
You are talking to an obvious idiot who has never done pvp. His whole eve experience is mine and dock up whenever the automated bot warning system ringed ALARM because of a neutral 5 jumps out. ---
**Author:** ![Azmodiano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azmodiano/32/140421_2.png) [@Azmodiano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azmodiano)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5140 "2019-07-10T17:11:34Z")
so you wanna tell me it’s a “pita” to find me when you just have to sit in your cloaked bomber and chain-jump the belts? i think not… Yeah, mayb the prices will adapt so i can replace 3 orcas in a week … or gankers will kill the economy of smaller corps entirely, just because they can. Its always risk / reward, but they added a TON of risk to null without adapting the rewards because they hope the market will fix this issue - but im concerned that the super-corps will get rich beyond imagination and concentrating that much power to a (relative) small group never leads to a “balanced” outcome. We will see… ---
**Author:** ![Stevens](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stevens/32/186556_2.png) [@Stevens](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stevens)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5141 "2019-07-10T17:12:03Z")
What risk do the cloak campers have? They get to chose only fights with PVE targets with no counter play. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5142 "2019-07-10T17:12:29Z")
> [@Arolanis](#): > > **SITTING ON GRID TO SEE WHO DE-CLOAKS**! Imagine the fun of that, 6 hours of sitting on grid with no right to miss a single second within a minute past gate flash. We have 4 jumps a minute from passing light blues, meaning it requires 100% attention and matching every gate flash with a decloaker. You know, you should try before you speak. And if you miss one, you pay 800mil for that Orca he hotdrops. For each one you miss. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![Redart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redart/32/189641_2.png) [@Redart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redart)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5143 "2019-07-10T17:15:30Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > You know, you should try before you speak. And if you miss one, you pay 800mil for that Orca he hotdrops. For each one you miss. Deal? I hear you can fly Orcas in high sec. Why not give that a try if you’re risk adverse? ---
**Author:** ![Arolanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arolanis/32/384438_2.png) [@Arolanis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arolanis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5144 "2019-07-10T17:15:34Z")
Omg…I have and I do! All I’m hearing in this forum is people are lazy as hell and just want 100% instant free intel. ---
**Author:** ![Abu\_Tarynnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abu_tarynnia/32/145190_2.png) [@Abu\_Tarynnia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abu_Tarynnia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5145 "2019-07-10T17:15:46Z")
Luckily I am on vacation when this ■■■■■■■■ hits the fan … I wonder how much SP CCP will rebuse in order to calm CUSTOMERS down …. anyway … there are other good games needing my attention … ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5146 "2019-07-10T17:15:47Z")
> [@Ni\_Neith](#): > > You are talking to an obvious idiot who has never done pvp. His whole eve experience is mine and dock up whenever the automated bot warning system ringed ALARM because of a neutral 5 jumps out. You neither. Ganking people who can’t fight back due to being in a pve ship nerfed from any fighting capacity is not pvp. My whole latest pvp experience is booty calls to save dumb rorquals 3 times a week because we don’t have supercap umbrella to deal with every trash kikimora gang. ---
**Author:** ![Pikk\_Ax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pikk_ax/32/281921_2.png) [@Pikk\_Ax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pikk_Ax)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5147 "2019-07-10T17:16:21Z")
Where are you flying your Null sec Orca ? asking for a friend… Also, it might be that Null sec Orcas are the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5148 "2019-07-10T17:16:28Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Imagine the fun of that, 6 hours of sitting on grid with no right to miss a single second within a minute past gate flash. or you can have someone on the other side of the gate that will tell who exactly jumped in and whether you need to decloak them or not. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=253) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=255)