# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 256
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5169 "2019-07-10T17:23:20Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > we have a policy to not form for anything less than capital and you wonder whats really killing content… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5170 "2019-07-10T17:23:34Z")
> [@Redart](#): > > risk adverse > **[adverse vs. averse on Vocabulary.com](https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/adverse-averse/)** > > Adverse and averse are both turn-offs, but adverse is something harmful, and averse is a strong feeling of dislike. Rainstorms can cause adverse conditions, and many people are averse to rain. ---
**Author:** ![Aerious](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aerious/32/287472_2.png) [@Aerious](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aerious)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5171 "2019-07-10T17:24:17Z")
This is good for the game, lets hope it happens more often. ---
**Author:** ![Abu\_Tarynnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abu_tarynnia/32/145190_2.png) [@Abu\_Tarynnia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abu_Tarynnia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5172 "2019-07-10T17:24:46Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > > > the data CCP gathers will help them rework game balance around no null local to make it playable and enjoyable from all sides, but if everyone unsubs and doesn’t play ccp doesn’t have much data to work with so they are shooting themselves in the foot by leaving :/. > > The reduction of active players is _also_ data. No it’s the absense of data … you might not have the intellectual capability to understand that … but it is, trust me. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5173 "2019-07-10T17:26:47Z")
> [@Redart](#): > > Cost of mining that juicy null ore. It’s not cost, it’s risk. Risk should apply to ganking as well. Aaaaaaaaand there’s none. > [@Redart](#): > > You know what game you’re playing. …or what it becomes when risk for ganktards is removed. > [@Redart](#): > > Fly better and fit bulkheads. Lol bulkheads, are you complete trash? It’ll never warp away with bulkheads even if you heat mwd. > [@Redart](#): > > When I lived in null we **only** used Orcas for bait. Confirming null was too hard for you. > [@Redart](#): > > They don’t die if you’re not incompetent. Yep, meaning no bulkheads and no ganktards or equally unintelligent species at the helm. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5174 "2019-07-10T17:27:00Z")
Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5175 "2019-07-10T17:27:44Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > and you wonder whats really killing content… ganks are not content. If you want a fight, our diplo team will help you set up one, match numbers, arrange time, place, conditions, and a wager. If you want a safe gank, go to hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Arolanis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arolanis/32/384438_2.png) [@Arolanis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arolanis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5176 "2019-07-10T17:28:04Z")
> **[r/evememes - balls of iron](https://www.reddit.com/r/evememes/comments/c9gtr8/balls_of_iron/)** > > 33 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![Redart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redart/32/189641_2.png) [@Redart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redart)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5177 "2019-07-10T17:28:43Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > It’s not cost, it’s risk. When you die, it’s a cost. It’s a risk until you die. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Lol bulkheads, are you complete trash? It’ll never warp away with bulkheads even if you heat mwd Because they make good bait, bait doesn’t work if it warps away… I also don’t mine. I actually extracted my industry character this week and put his sp into Logi. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Confirming null was too hard for you. Moved to a wormhole. Null was boring because of nullbears. Unlike you, this is one of my mains and I have a killboard record on this character. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5178 "2019-07-10T17:29:53Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > and you wonder whats really killing content… Ill-thought-out game design, systems being put out half-finished with no incentive to use them, and then never iterated on because nobody used the system they didn’t have any incentive to use, complete neglect in entire segments of the game (FW), a UI that hasn’t seen a real overhaul and UX pass in 15 years, and a company running all of this with a skeleton crew that doesn’t have the numbers or time to try to address all of the problems, so spends all their time bouncing from one to the next with temporary band-aids until they suddenly realize the limb beneath the mountain of bandaids died six years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Ni\_Neith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ni_neith/32/182183_2.png) [@Ni\_Neith](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ni_Neith)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5179 "2019-07-10T17:29:59Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > ganks are not content. > If you want a fight, our diplo team will help you set up one, match numbers, arrange time, place, conditions, and a wager. > If you want a safe gank, go to hisec. braindamaged… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5180 "2019-07-10T17:30:28Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > If you want a fight, our diplo team will help you set up one, match numbers, arrange time, place, conditions, and a wager. ok what space you live in? will come every day. 1v1, 1v2, hell if you have ten guys i’ll fight them solo. If theyre all as smart as you i cant lose. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5181 "2019-07-10T17:31:06Z")
well there is that… xD ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5182 "2019-07-10T17:31:26Z")
> [@Abu\_Tarynnia](#): > > No it’s the absense of data … you might not have the intellectual capability to understand that … but it is, trust me. _That_ people stop playing is data. _How many_ people stop playing is data. Yes, other data is not being generated, but those two things are _also_ data. ---
**Author:** ![Pikk\_Ax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pikk_ax/32/281921_2.png) [@Pikk\_Ax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pikk_Ax)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5183 "2019-07-10T17:33:37Z")
I sense an opportunity to mine the first wave of unmined moons 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tryanft](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tryanft/32/147425_2.png) [@tryanft](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tryanft)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5184 "2019-07-10T17:33:43Z")
@CCP Falcon . How much did you drink before you came up with what is probably the worst idea you have ever had. If people wanted to live by wormhole rules they would live in a wormhole. You seem utterly driven to further mess up the balance because a few dev guys sat and drank way to much late 1 night to destroy whats left of this game. Welcome to what will be the dullest week in eves history hands down , within 48 hrs everyone will remain docked except hunters , so hunters hunting hunters with the lights out whilst everyone is cloaked sounds like really superb fun no really . If Eve population has any sense they will boycott the duration this lasts for and if runs over there next sub cancel it. This is certainly my intention , I mean what is the point in having characters that are trained to do x if you cannot use them without dotlan lighting the way to your location , anywhere that shows activity will become a magnet for the hunters so zero point in even attempting to use them. I have 8 accounts 2 of which are PVP so guessing good buy to 6 followed by 2 more if it continues . Well done for putting the final nail in the coffin along with your jobs, terrible choices made again by those who listen to ahandful total joke. Cheers 0./ ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5185 "2019-07-10T17:34:47Z")
I’m not sure if you realize but CCP come up with the idea’s together it isn’t all on falcon to keep us happy. Also try putting yourself into other players shoe’s and try see the game from multiple perspectives and you will realize its a good change but there is more to come to balance it out afterwards. If perfect balance was 100% Local as it is now would be 40% and no local would be 140% its better and closer to 100% but its not there yet. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5186 "2019-07-10T17:36:39Z")
> [@tryanft](#): > > If people wanted to live by wormhole rules they would live in a wormhole. These are not wormhole rules. Your methods of entry into the system remain static. Cynos continue to work. There is no mass limit on how many people can get in/out. Anomalies still respawn much faster than in j-space. You can still build supers. T2 Moongoo is still available. Rats still drop faction and/or deadspace loot. etc etc etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![Sophia\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sophia_mileghere/32/381201_2.png) [@Sophia\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sophia_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5187 "2019-07-10T17:37:08Z")
Just out of interest: **Was the CSM actually involved in the decision?** If not, why not? After all, it was the second decision in a short period of time without their involvement. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5188 "2019-07-10T17:37:38Z")
48 Hrs or less and I plan to sneak into Nul and start to light cynos just for the enjoyment of seeing what happens. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=255) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=257)