# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 258
**Author:** ![Justin\_Spacemonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justin_spacemonkey/32/250835_2.png) [@Justin\_Spacemonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Justin_Spacemonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5209 "2019-07-10T17:50:30Z")
Do you even rat bruh? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5210 "2019-07-10T17:50:42Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > How many ships can use a lighthouse? How many radios can receive a broadcast? A cyno is a _beacon_ . It is a thing the ship’s jump drive is locking onto, and then the jump drive uses fuel. Each jump drive uses its own fuel. …and arrivals distort time-space which needs to be stabilized around a beacon. Lore reason isn’t hard to find. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5211 "2019-07-10T17:50:51Z")
Timers allows perfect strategic planning with massive amounts of player defense, a structure that has a lot of hp and takes awhile to kill an hour maybe with no reinforce timer gives people less time to plan the perfect defense and is more challenging. Dropping 30 titans and supers on something cant be the perfect answer for all situations. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5212 "2019-07-10T17:51:15Z")
So they bounce. Just like they do now. Zomg! ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5213 "2019-07-10T17:52:37Z")
> [@Ni\_Neith](#): > > 100% save ratting and mining Was never a thing. We had bubbles, we had gravimetric sigs, and even then it was not 100% safe. Every defense a miner had has been removed over the years, the local is the last lifeline of non-rorq-under-umbrella mining, making 99% safety a ganker has 100%. MAKE NULL DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING GANKTARDS. ---
**Author:** ![Xelios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xelios/32/192236_2.png) [@Xelios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xelios)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5214 "2019-07-10T17:53:18Z")
Are you trying for a saltiest poster of the month award or something? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5215 "2019-07-10T17:53:37Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Timers allows perfect strategic planning Knowing _your own crap’s timer_ is not ‘perfect strategic planning’, it’s ‘how much gas is in my car?’ > [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > a structure that has a lot of hp and takes awhile to kill an hour maybe You really want to go back to shooting SBUs? Do you remember what that was like? Do you remember how the only people who could really go about doing it reliably were the big blocs? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5216 "2019-07-10T17:54:31Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > an hour maybe So you want to kill every alliance without AU TZ? ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5217 "2019-07-10T17:54:38Z")
lol yea shooting SBUS where terrible but thats territory control, this would be just to switch off local for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5218 "2019-07-10T17:55:12Z")
You would be able to anchor a new one cheaply within an hour or 2 thou so it would only be a minor anouyance at most to provoke reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5219 "2019-07-10T17:55:54Z")
Yeah, but _that’s what you’re suggesting_. You’re suggesting more or less Dominion sov _just to shoot this one thing_. Just give it a timer. Make it not work while RF’d. If you want a fight, you can get a fight. If you just want to screw w/people, you can screw w/people. And just for the record: > [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > it would only be a minor anouyance at most to provoke reaction. The reaction it’ll provoke will be the same either way. If someone’s going to drop titans on the RF timer, they’re gonna drop titans on you shooting it for an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5220 "2019-07-10T17:56:19Z")
Making one of the mining barges not visible on D-scan would add an interesting dynamic - say the Covetor. Of course mining drones, cans and haulers, would still be visible, I bet many would happily solo mine in null with one. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5221 "2019-07-10T17:56:38Z")
Making it not work while RF’ed might work and might be a better solution I guess didn’t think of that. ---
**Author:** ![Sharcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sharcy/32/412462_2.png) [@Sharcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sharcy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5222 "2019-07-10T17:56:46Z")
> [@Ni\_Neith](#): > > But skill injectors, citadels and most important 100% save ratting and mining are relatively new. It’s just sad that it took CCP that long to realize that this nullsec bs can’t go on forever. I’ll give you skill injectors. While convenient, and welcome for new players to make up for the 16y history, it has been abused by the veteran playerbase. Citadels I’m not convinced about; the old mechanisms weren’t great either. I do feel it should be harder to spawn them but also easier to attack regardless of timezones. But “100% safe ratting” just isn’t true. And besides, who is more risk averse? The guy mining, ratting or hauling in a ship he knows he’s dead in if he gets caught, or the guy hunting those players in his PVPfit ship? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5223 "2019-07-10T17:57:32Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > You would be able to anchor a new one cheaply within an hour or 2 thou so it would only be a minor anouyance at most to provoke reaction. So you want me to spend an hour or 2 every morning aligning a new structure, fueling it for at least 24 hours, just so 18 hours later some moron comes and kills it again, takes 6 hours worth of fuel that dropped, and goes off, until I start setting alarm clock to 4:30am in order to not spend 2 hours at 8:00am? FUN ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5224 "2019-07-10T17:58:11Z")
HAHA you make a point xD Read up I think Arrendis’s solution might be better. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5225 "2019-07-10T17:59:01Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > So you want me to spend an hour or 2 every morning aligning a new structure, fueling it for at least 24 hours Now make that ‘in every system’. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5226 "2019-07-10T18:00:01Z")
Time zones are such a pain in the ass, hard to keep things balanced. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5227 "2019-07-10T18:02:13Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Time zones are such a pain in the ass, hard to keep things balanced. What you’re trying is disbalancing what is already disbalanced in favor of a hunter. ---
**Author:** ![Lil\_Darlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lil_darlin/32/193959_2.png) [@Lil\_Darlin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lil_Darlin)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5228 "2019-07-10T18:04:06Z")
CCP sold out when they bowed to Pearl Abyss. Now we will have a game just like Black Desert. Great for 12yrs and under and they wont have to put up with intelligent veteran players. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=257) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=259)