# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 295
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5953 "2019-07-11T15:22:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So lets assume 80 \* 4899 = 396,819 volley, I don’t see how on earth you can think that a Skiff can tank that, my one for hisec is about 120k EHP. And no he will die in one volley. We have gone from ten bombers to 80?? That escalated quickly. Didnt read the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Soldrius\_Brinkhoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldrius_brinkhoff/32/147383_2.png) [@Soldrius\_Brinkhoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldrius_Brinkhoff)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5954 "2019-07-11T15:22:41Z")
thats true ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5955 "2019-07-11T15:24:28Z")
You mentioned 80+ bombers in bombers bar. It is easy to work it back. > [@Lugburz](#): > > Didnt read the rest. That is because you did not like having an experienced player pointing out that what you said was verbal garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5956 "2019-07-11T15:24:48Z")
One of my favorite old traps: Back in the R&K Clarion Call days, AHARM used to anchor TCUs in their wormholes. Couldn’t online them, of course, but they anchored them nonetheless. People used to see them on the overview, go ‘WTF?’ and warp over… into the bubblecamp on the TCU, and get decloaked and slaughtered. I absolutely _hated_ those guys, but man, was that funny to watch, every single time someone was dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5957 "2019-07-11T15:25:06Z")
If wormholers do complain all we get is a litany of adapt, get good, get rich, man up or move elsewhere. Feel free to pick one of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5958 "2019-07-11T15:25:06Z")
no we were talking about 40k volley. Your far from experienced. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5959 "2019-07-11T15:25:18Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > We have gone from ten bombers to 80?? He’s using the number you gave for Bomber’s Bar. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5960 "2019-07-11T15:26:06Z")
never not dscan first lol like those cynos at planets i see in lowsec… ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5961 "2019-07-11T15:26:36Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > IF THAT SKIFF IS TANKED he will eat most if not all those bombers with what 120k ehp tank? and thats solo, mining in a small gang well i dont rate the bombers chances. 120k EHP is reached only on full brick tanks, like literally: [Skiff, Full Brick] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Modulated Strip Miner II, Uncommon Moon Ore Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Uncommon Moon Ore Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II ^ this is 122k and you better not have me started about how 1 yield fit Hulk will literally outmine 6 of these. With 122k ehp, it will take 3 to 4 maybe 5 alphas of 10-bomber fleet, meaning 12 to 20 seconds of life time. It will target a bomber in 4 seconds, and it has 121 dps, meaning it will take over 20 seconds to shave off 2700 ehp of no-tank bomber, plus travel time. In those 24+ seconds, a warp disrupted bombers will travel 50km, thus being safe from the danger of being held by tackling Skiff. There are really no what-ifs here, if there are more than a few skiffs, you just need to bring a few more bombers to have a reliable win. Hence the whole point: no counterplay to covert cyno. ---
**Author:** ![Ni\_Neith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ni_neith/32/182183_2.png) [@Ni\_Neith](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ni_Neith)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5962 "2019-07-11T15:27:33Z")
Yep. When I complained about the fact that inhibitors can’t be anchored on gates I told to get good countless times and now we see filthy carebears complaining about cynos…This is just gold. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5963 "2019-07-11T15:28:16Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > no we were talking about 40k volley. That is three vollies per skiff with 9 bombers, anyone competent will have some Falcons with them. Maybe even some Astero’s to counter drones. > [@Lugburz](#): > > Your far from experienced. The word you should have used is You’re. I am pretty experienced actually. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5964 "2019-07-11T15:28:22Z")
That was after i pointed out one skiff can kill maybe 8 to 10 bombers. not 80… thats just being stupid. would be a bad night for bombers bar if all they hit was a skiff too… ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Bison](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nick_bison/32/384927_2.png) [@Nick\_Bison](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nick_Bison)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5965 "2019-07-11T15:28:43Z")
One word, scouts ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5966 "2019-07-11T15:30:05Z")
Bombers bar will hit what they can get at times. I had a corp mate that was very much into Bombers bar. ---
**Author:** ![Soldrius\_Brinkhoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldrius_brinkhoff/32/147383_2.png) [@Soldrius\_Brinkhoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldrius_Brinkhoff)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5967 "2019-07-11T15:30:06Z")
scouts cant see covert ships or can you heal cancer ? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5968 "2019-07-11T15:30:17Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > you better not have me started about how 1 yield fit Hulk will literally outmine 6 of these. and 1 Rorqual with Miner IIs will outmine that Hulk with a lot more ehp than the Skiff. It also won’t care about mining crystals, or the time taken to train up the skills to _use_ those mining crystals… or the time taken to train to use T2 strip miners. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5969 "2019-07-11T15:30:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am pretty experienced actually. Not nearly enough. 9 bombers with so much alpha mmm but you havent taken into account resist profile. and that the skiff will chew through bombers as soon as it has a lock, dont forget your at 0m. And stop adding ships to the equation, the original post was 40k volley. Not 40k volley with falcons and asteros oh lets add a titan now and several nyx… ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5970 "2019-07-11T15:31:51Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > We use it in wormholes as it’s very efficient at spotting certain ships. Spotting is not defense. Spotting means you know it’s there, and I already know it’s there because there’s a known logoff. Wormhole chicken space little tricks will not help against cynodrop, and nothing will. How many times do your little brain need to be reminded of that? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5971 "2019-07-11T15:32:46Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > but you havent taken into account resist profile. We’re calculating in ehp. Do your gamer math, idiot, resist profile is properly accounted for. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5972 "2019-07-11T15:33:30Z")
I guess it will be about watching the gates in these nullsec systems, personally I think that if a large alliance lets a large fleet of bombers into their space then that is slack. This black out needs to be looked at in simple terms, your resolve is being tested. Will you try to use cheaper ships and just accept the loss? If you can’t use your barge will you still try to mine in cheaper ships? If the blackout remains for a long period of time then this event will be known as the Nullsec Culling, where the weak leave the game or the lazy nullseccers go to high sec. Nullsec may become a place where only the people who have no problem adapting dwell. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=294) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=296)