# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 296
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5973 "2019-07-11T15:34:13Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > That was after i pointed out one skiff can kill maybe 8 to 10 bombers. One skiff can kill 0 bombers, we even done the math for you proving just that. Oh well, ganktards, mathz too hardz. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5974 "2019-07-11T15:34:37Z")
untrue, for example em resist will be lower on most ships so if your using purifers youll hit harder than say hounds. you derp regularly dont you. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5975 "2019-07-11T15:34:45Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Hence the whole point: no counterplay to covert cyno. There is an early warning system that acts as a counterplay to covert cynos - Here’s you starter for 10 points … Name that counter play ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5976 "2019-07-11T15:35:47Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > One skiff can kill 0 bombers, If you cant even kill one bomber with a skiff your severely debilitated in your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5977 "2019-07-11T15:36:19Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Not nearly enough. I am pretty experienced actually… > [@Lugburz](#): > > 9 bombers with so much alpha mmm If based on the 40k alpha pointed out earlier. Personally I would go with at least 10 bombers, and a couple of force recons, especially Falcons. > [@Lugburz](#): > > but you havent taken into account resist profile. Most bombers are a mix of racial types so the damage is omni as compared to the Skiff perhaps being setup to tank BS rats, the figure of 120k EHP is the total EHP and takes into account resists. You are starting to look really ignorant at this point which is a pity as I had you as being fairly knowledgeable though with a tendency to over troll things. > [@Lugburz](#): > > and that the skiff will chew through bombers as soon as it has a lock, dont forget your at 0m. Well that is a wild inexperienced assumption that bombers will just sit at zero and wait for the drones to murder them. > [@Lugburz](#): > > And stop adding ships to the equation, the original post was 40k volley. Not 40k volley with falcons and asteros > oh lets add a titan now and several nyx… We are talking about risk averse play, people will add ships to make them win without loss, this is the style of hot drops. Have you done this type of stuff mate, you seem a bit lost? ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5978 "2019-07-11T15:36:37Z")
nope they just see you as not worthy for “their” game and whant you to leave so they can do elite pvp… but so far when i see killboard their only ganks left with a 100% Chance one sided… well L33t pvp strongk. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5979 "2019-07-11T15:37:01Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > We’re calculating in ehp. Do your gamer math, idiot, resist profile is properly accounted for. Not entirely. For example, your Skiff there has 122k _against Omni-damage_. Against someone using EMP rounds, it’s got 109k (101 vs pure EM). Against someone throwing pure Explosive, 163k, 124k against Spike, etc. So no, accounting for the resist profile of the ship and switching torps to match is definitely a _thing_. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5980 "2019-07-11T15:37:06Z")
nah, ive seen people do it, your bombers will not be max skilled and most are rarely tanked. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5981 "2019-07-11T15:37:46Z")
You’re funny … if spotting is not a defense then why complain about losing local which allows you to spot players as they enter the system ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5982 "2019-07-11T15:39:17Z")
I can contain myself no longer…I LOVE EVE ONLINE AND CCP!!! ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5983 "2019-07-11T15:39:48Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I guess it will be about watching the gates in these nullsec systems That stealth bomber is already inside, no point watching gates. Assuming you did and you know one got in, it’s in, now watching gates in pointless - they will go with cyno. > [@Aaron](#): > > personally I think that if a large alliance lets a large fleet of bombers into their space then that is slack. Reminding to wormchickens that not even cynojammed system can stop covert cyno from bringing whatever covert ships ganktards want. > [@Aaron](#): > > This black out needs to be looked at in simple terms, your resolve is being tested. Will you try to use cheaper ships and just accept the loss? If you can’t use your barge will you still try to mine in cheaper ships? This question already shows you’re a dumbass. But I’ll give you a chance with counter-question: Name ONE reason to mine in Venture in nullsec when you can mine in a barge in hisec instead? That does not mean we should all go hisec, that means that trying to mine for less profit than hisec means the space you’re mining in is less worth than hisec. > [@Aaron](#): > > where the weak leave the game The weak and lazy will subscribe for free ganks, fail to find any, then grab something under umbrella, get some educational bosoning, whine on forums and quit. The lazy will just join blocs and get into a super under umbrella, giving middle finger to weak and lazy ganktards. > [@Aaron](#): > > Nullsec may become a place where only the people who have no problem adapting dwell. Nullsec will become a place where only bloc umbrellaed supers dwell. What a nice future it will be! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5984 "2019-07-11T15:40:33Z")
Oh, and for the record: you get more tank on the Skiff if you put PDS IIs in the lows instead of trying to throw armor hardeners in there. Hell, for that matter, you shouldn’t have that 4th Adaptive. Use a 2nd Extender. Christ, your fitting skills are crap. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5985 "2019-07-11T15:40:36Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I guess it will be about watching the gates in these nullsec systems, personally I think that if a large alliance lets a large fleet of bombers into their space then that is slack. It is pretty easy to do, in the larger systems it is really easy to get a bomber fleet in off D-scan. > [@Aaron](#): > > This black out needs to be looked at in simple terms, your resolve is being tested. Will you try to use cheaper ships and just accept the loss? If you can’t use your barge will you still try to mine in cheaper ships? I think people are better off if they are not in a large block to operate in hisec. And wait it out. You can of course wait a bit for people to get bored and not find anything to kill and then go back in cheap ships as you suggested. > [@Aaron](#): > > If the blackout remains for a long period of time then this event will be known as the Nullsec Culling, where the weak leave the game or the lazy nullseccers go to high sec. Nullsec may become a place where only the people who have no problem adapting dwell. I don’t think that is a fair assessment in terms of calling them lazy. The adapting is pretty stark, join a major block and rat in supers and mine in Rorquals, or adapt your way back to hisec up until hunters are bored out of the game and then go back cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5986 "2019-07-11T15:42:16Z")
> **[Skiff | Lugburz | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/72785711/)** > > Lugburz (Intaki Syndicate Militia) lost their Skiff in Reitsato (Black Rise). Final Blow by Ludi Tomina (Imperare Ebrius) flying in a Federation Navy Comet. Total Value: 310,117,571.12 ISK MEGAMAN FLEET!!! was good for the lols but a poor roaming vehicle 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5987 "2019-07-11T15:42:27Z")
well cyno has to be balanced if local is gone maybee spool up timer in Combo with cloak or something else cause that way its just imba and will increase the Slaughter on pve guys. hotdroping was a manjor Change to pvp… most just wait till something is found and undock to drop. ive seen bad examples of this like droping 40 guys on a maller just out of boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5988 "2019-07-11T15:43:14Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > This question already shows you’re a dumbass. But I’ll give you a chance with counter-question: Name ONE reason to mine in Venture in nullsec when you can mine in a barge in hisec instead? That does not mean we should all go hisec, that means that trying to mine for less profit than hisec means the space you’re mining in is less worth than hisec. Have you even bothered to consider mineral prices will now rocket sky high due to the blackout? In my opinion mining is still profitable, whatever minerals you can mine will be worth more. I for one will seriously enjoy getting in my prospect and mining in nullsec with the blackout in effect. You see, how much a barge/exhumer can tank is irrelevant to me as I know how to adapt. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5989 "2019-07-11T15:43:33Z")
> [@Abe\_Rollin](#): > > You’re funny … if spotting is not a defense then why complain about losing local which allows you to spot players as they enter the system If you think spotting on gates is the only function of local, I welcome you to replace it with an announcement in chat every time someone enters local. But no announcement he left. No announcement he logged off or logged on, etc. We’ll see how you fare, I will personally enter your system and announce myself in local, then proceed with camping it for 3 days choosing targets to drop, how would you counter that, sit on a trap for 3 days straight not allowed to miss 1 second I decide to strike? GOOD LUCK. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5990 "2019-07-11T15:43:47Z")
and with this null embargo up too extra extra! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5991 "2019-07-11T15:44:20Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Have you even bothered to consider mineral prices will now rocket sky high due to the blackout? We certainly hope so! ---
**Author:** ![Ni\_Neith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ni_neith/32/182183_2.png) [@Ni\_Neith](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ni_Neith)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/5992 "2019-07-11T15:44:25Z")
[quote=“Dracvlad, post:5985, topic:171935, full:true”] The adapting is pretty stark, join a major block and rat in supers and mine in Rorquals, or adapt your way back to hisec up until hunters are bored out of the game and then go back cheap. [/quote] You forgot about the cloaky spies. Now we don’t have to burn a spy to land a big hit. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=295) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=297)