# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 308
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6218 "2019-07-12T03:36:15Z")
> [@Xialis](#): > > You need to drop cloak to take any action other than observe, placing you in someone’s crosshairs. > You’ve been stuck in your titan too long and have forgotten how covops cloaks work. Who’s stuck? Our supercaps can dock. I’m in a covops almost every day. So what if you have to drop cloak to do anything? Why should you get to hide from the people hunting you in the first place? Stop being a coward. ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6219 "2019-07-12T03:38:31Z")
You are totally wrong about there not being fits that can do both PVE and PVP. You can run 10/10 anoms in PVP battleships, for example. Can’t be done, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6220 "2019-07-12T03:40:56Z")
And null is not safe for “ganktards”. What do “ganktards” fly? And what to null blocs respond with? You’ve been smoking too much crack son… ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6221 "2019-07-12T03:48:05Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Who’s stuck? Our supercaps can dock. In range of the gate? Doubt it. > [@](#): > > I’m in a covops almost every day. Cloaked up no doubt > [@](#): > > So what if you have to drop cloak to do anything? Why should you get to hide from the people hunting you in the first place? Hunting is a strange word for gate camping in 100s of titans! > [@](#): > > Stop being a coward. LMAO that’s rich coming from someone scared of covops cloaks!! ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6222 "2019-07-12T03:50:18Z")
Feces thrown in your face? LOL. Over-react much? ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6223 "2019-07-12T03:54:08Z")
Totally agree. And on top of everything else, being in a null bloc was boring as all hell because space was too safe. In a null bloc and want to go out and find some pvp? Well, good luck because there isn’t anyone to fight for 40 jumps in all directions. Want to go on a roam? Boring as hell. Nothing quite as fun as going on roam after roam and not encountering anything but blues. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6224 "2019-07-12T03:54:35Z")
Opinions vary on that but everyone is entitled to think what they will, I have to take the other side and say no it is not what the game needed. So this is what it takes for PVP to be successful honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6225 "2019-07-12T03:56:51Z")
What this game needed was to be dangerous again and not this feel-good, everyone is safe, rewards forever because of one time effort, millenial pansy crap. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6226 "2019-07-12T03:57:22Z")
Well would you risk your ship if you knew you had no hope of defense against a cloaked ship if you were in a group that does not have the ability to throw Titans and Dreads and Carriers oh my. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6227 "2019-07-12T03:58:28Z")
That is complete BS , every time you undock you run the risk of your ship being lost even with local up, this only hurts the smaller groups more then anything else in null. ---
**Author:** ![Iminent\_Penance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iminent_penance/32/145791_2.png) [@Iminent\_Penance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iminent_Penance)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6228 "2019-07-12T04:00:13Z")
… like removing nullsec to give the shittiest pvpers participation trophies of unarmed victim kills? ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6229 "2019-07-12T04:01:50Z")
One cloaked ship doesn’t scare me. What do you mean by no defense? Cloaky ships generally are weak. And yes, I would and do risk ships even against unlikely odds. Look at my KB, bet my losses are close to the top of the list in numbers. Because I play a pvp game, so I pvp. This whole game is pvp, even industry is pvp. EVE was meant from day one to be a hardcore, gritty pvp game, not the near themepark that it is becoming. Your very comment shows that you are just another part of the problem, unwilling to take risk. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6230 "2019-07-12T04:02:18Z")
Yeah, I would. Lost a covops frigate the other day to a cloaky Astero. Didn’t cry about it though. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6231 "2019-07-12T04:06:13Z")
> [@Orob\_Ninebands](#): > > This whole game is pvp, even industry is pvp. EVE was meant from day one to be a hardcore, gritty pvp game, not the near themepark that it is becoming. Your very comment shows that you are just another part of the problem, unwilling to take risk. This guy gets it. ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6232 "2019-07-12T04:07:52Z")
LOL, what the hell are you even talking about? Unarmed? Null ratters aren’t unarmed. They have whole alliances ready to cyno to their aid. Who is the shitty pvper? The guy who risks it to go try to get a kill, or the ratter who just calls in 100 buddies to blob a couple dudes in cruisers? Get the F outta here with that crap, nobody is getting “participation awards”. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6233 "2019-07-12T04:09:08Z")
That is only your opinion I know it is PVP but you don’t always have to play by the other PVP guys rules, I like logistics and gathering resources for my corp I know PVP can happen at any time I have lost many a ship to it, maybe some people don’t like the level of PVP you would wish but EVE is what it is. I am not the problem I am a concerned gamer who feels this can lead to worse thing just like you. Maybe the problem is your expectations for everyone don’t match to everyone. I help my corp that is not a problem I work with others that is not a problem , having the deck stacked completely against you if you play strict solo or in a group that can not throw major activity will be torn apart. You just have a narrow view of what you want the game to be not everyone has to agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Xialis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xialis/32/317767_2.png) [@Xialis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xialis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6234 "2019-07-12T04:09:59Z")
> [@Orob\_Ninebands](#): > > “participation awards” Aren’t those the PAP links serious alliances hand out? The minute my alliance tries to implement that, I’m out! ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6235 "2019-07-12T04:10:20Z")
Ya know with structure proliferation in hisec I could understand there being a mechanic for allowing carriers and dreads in hisec. Probably tax the hell out of em in the form of massive costs added onto wardecs per person to allow a limited number of them in for the war duration. Supers have no business even in lowsec though. The empires are wary of us player have em which is why they are banned in hisec yet they just smile and wave as we pass through their lower sec territory. ---
**Author:** ![Sana\_Yamada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sana_yamada/32/377691_2.png) [@Sana\_Yamada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sana_Yamada)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6236 "2019-07-12T04:10:56Z")
Again you are wrong here not all groups in Null can do that gets your facts straight before you comment, read up on how smaller corps and people that rent out space will fair , larger Corps even if they rent you space will not protect you 50 percent of the time, I thought someone who knows so much could take that into account. ---
**Author:** ![Orob\_Ninebands](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orob_ninebands/32/147732_2.png) [@Orob\_Ninebands](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orob_Ninebands)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6237 "2019-07-12T04:12:14Z")
I hope it hurts everyone. This game should be hard. It used to be famous for that. Nullsec should be extremely difficult and only made “safe” by active player effort. Local is and always has been BS. You want to know who is in local, then you should have to put some effort in to find out. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=307) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=309)