# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 314
**Author:** ![Anuttey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anuttey/32/147772_2.png) [@Anuttey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anuttey)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6338 "2019-07-12T09:07:23Z")
CCP the new BLIZZARD hahahaha RiP ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6339 "2019-07-12T09:11:31Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Did you idiots think CCP would never notice or do anything about it? CCP noticed it 15 years ago (there is devblog from 2004 about local in null) but havent done anything about it so you cant blame for (null)players becoming complacent. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6340 "2019-07-12T09:13:41Z")
Poor miners. Like a kid who grew up with no responsibilities in life, enjoying carefree PvE for fifteen long years, and suddenly finds out he has to get a job at Wal-Mart. Boy, if you wanna live in this here nullsec, you better earn your isk! 😥 ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6341 "2019-07-12T09:15:34Z")
I’m not sure if any of you realize this but the more you talk the less likely CCP are to even see your response’s If you go to the top and press summarize you will see that if you have made ton’s of posts you will be cut out of the summarized version, like I have. ---
**Author:** ![Xelios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xelios/32/192236_2.png) [@Xelios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xelios)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6342 "2019-07-12T09:22:04Z")
Probably still wouldn’t do anything about it if botting hadn’t gotten out of control since alpha accounts and injectors. There are plenty of other ways they could have made nullsec less safe, but out of all those possibilities this one affects bots the most. ---
**Author:** ![Hairdresser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hairdresser/32/273636_2.png) [@Hairdresser](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hairdresser)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6343 "2019-07-12T09:25:19Z")
So your issue with local is that we dock up our mining barges, and switch to ships which can bite back when you come roaming? Tells more about you than the bears imo. We have fun fights with Volta, Hydra-spinoffs, Snuff all the time. Sometimes we loose, sometimes we win. The only difference with blackouts is some gets to gank weak targets and gtfo before anything can respond. And bots. Bots loosing local is the only reason I’m FOR this change. ---
**Author:** ![Vazqez\_McLoud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vazqez_mcloud/32/124477_2.png) [@Vazqez\_McLoud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vazqez_McLoud)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6344 "2019-07-12T09:25:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > oor miners. Like a kid who grew up with no responsibilities in life, enjoying carefree PvE for fifteen long years, and suddenly finds out he has to get a job at Wal-Mart. Boy, if you wanna live in this here nullsec, you better earn your isk! you are rude and lacking in tact I do not take you. and that something that wants to improve for better is not a reason for insults. ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6345 "2019-07-12T09:25:51Z")
youre be poor even with isk so NO ---
**Author:** ![Messor\_Herman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/messor_herman/32/147779_2.png) [@Messor\_Herman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Messor_Herman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6346 "2019-07-12T09:35:26Z")
Come to delve, you can’t see me on local 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6347 "2019-07-12T09:42:04Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > The whole point of this change is that ganks in null are 99% safe with local, and without local they become 100% safe, making nullsec safer than hisec for ganktard. LOL In YOUR space if its 100% safe for me to gank you, whos fault is that? You fail so much dude its too funny. ---
**Author:** ![Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skilled_bitch_midumulf/32/146897_2.png) [@Skilled\_Bitch\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skilled_Bitch_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6348 "2019-07-12T09:43:43Z")
get a live and grow up… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6349 "2019-07-12T09:45:26Z")
life\* Is this orcas alt then? Pro forum skills lol ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6350 "2019-07-12T09:46:30Z")
highsecs that way ----\> ---
**Author:** ![Edrion\_Ituin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edrion_ituin/32/145521_2.png) [@Edrion\_Ituin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edrion_Ituin)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6351 "2019-07-12T09:50:47Z")
I do not agree with this changes, but I will adapt it. I think in the next few days I will see many salty tears. but not my 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6352 "2019-07-12T09:51:21Z")
> [@Hairdresser](#): > > So your issue with local is that we dock up our mining barges, and switch to ships which can bite back when you come roaming? If only, most just dock and you wont see them in combat ships for well over an hour when they have an ‘fc’ and logi and 20x whatever you have… Most people in null atm seem to be pure carebear and a lot of the posts on this thread seem to confirm that - hell half aint even sticking round to protect corp or alliance assets OR each other. These people are not here to play the game and help their fellows out nd believe me they would drop fellow corpies in the ■■■■ and leave them to die in the blink of an eye. Now tell me, who needs corpies like that? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6353 "2019-07-12T09:53:12Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Most people in null atm seem to be pure carebear and a lot of the posts on this thread seem to confirm that - Sure seems that way! ---
**Author:** ![Hairdresser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hairdresser/32/273636_2.png) [@Hairdresser](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hairdresser)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6354 "2019-07-12T09:57:11Z")
I’m not sure this change will be overall good for the game tho. The density of targets will probably be a lot lower than now. On the other side, those who are out wont get no warning, so they will be easier to catch. We’ll see what happens. Either way, it will be more ‘oh ■■■■!’ moments for everyone in space 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6355 "2019-07-12T10:06:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I don’t think that is a fair assessment in terms of calling them lazy. The adapting is pretty stark, join a major block and rat in supers and mine in Rorquals, or adapt your way back to hisec up until hunters are bored out of the game and then go back cheap. I think it is a fair assesment, Using a shiny ship/capital to rat when everything is ok and local is immediate mode, then suddenly comms black out comes and they don’t want to do anything in nullsec except stay docked, leave. or go hisec. They are not bothered to try anything different which I think is lazy. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I think people are better off if they are not in a large block to operate in hisec. And wait it out. You can of course wait a bit for people to get bored and not find anything to kill and then go back in cheap ships as you suggested. So if the game can’t be played on their terms then the answer is waiting it out? I’m just a bit tired of this kind of attitude towards Eve. For some people playing Eve is conditional. If it’s not easy then they are not interested in playing which is the impression I get. I for one will play Eve in any shape or form, camp me, set drifters on me, take away local chat, I’m still playing regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6356 "2019-07-12T10:15:08Z")
I think that you will find those big blocks will be ratting in supers regardless, because they will be able to cyno in reinforcements which will be formed and ready to go. The issue is with smaller and medium groups who will not be able to out escalate their attackers. You know how that feels like! So what are you going to do in terms of ratting, I know you used to cloak up when people came into local and waited them out, how will this change your approach? I know what I would do, but one thing is certain I would wait for the mass of useless hunters to get bored of a lack of targets before I put my toe back in the water. I am already back in hisec, but if I was in nullsec with TIKLE for example I would just suck it up and murder the useless hunters. > [@Aaron](#): > > So if the game can’t be played on their terms then the answer is waiting it out? I’m just a bit tired of this kind of attitude towards Eve. For some people playing Eve is conditional. If it’s not easy then they are not interested in playing which is the impression I get. I for one will play Eve in any shape or form, camp me, set drifters on me, take away local chat, I’m still playing regardless. You are a very committed player, I respect that in you greatly, but for me local was a good balance in terms of the prey and hunter, when I was in TIKLE I was often ratting when most people had gone to bed, so I was relying on local to get safe and then I would switch to PvP ships and see who else was interested. But the issue is that the balance at the low level is out of kilter now. So I want to see all the map and Dotlan data go too and I want to see the cyno nerfed in some way. There is no cyno functionality in WH space which is why it works, but in nullsec it just becomes a turkey shoot and to be honest no matter how hard you are in terms of attitude ending up being a turkey in a turkey shoot is not fun. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6357 "2019-07-12T10:21:02Z")
i think there needs to be more counteplay options for cyno’s, supers and titans, maybe different size cyno inhibs with dif ranges and hp; maybe bubble cyno inhibs or ewar that directly effects large ships (i dunno like an emp pulse type thing) - maybe even t2 inhib that can effect blops cyno… maybe even a blops cyno inhib… Currently the gameplay surrounding cynos is pretty much who has more wins and a minute to anchor an inhib - though fairly sure people probably arent using them right (for example no one drops one to mine in their rorq… even if not under an umbrella) I wouldnt advocate getting rid of them but ye, more playing options would be good. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=313) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=315)