# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 341
**Author:** ![plexbichest\_bitchester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plexbichest_bitchester/32/147493_2.png) [@plexbichest\_bitchester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plexbichest_bitchester)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6881 "2019-07-12T17:19:13Z")
No nonif you want to mine 20mil/hour you need to have a supercap fleet on standby according to people supporting this. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6882 "2019-07-12T17:19:59Z")
> [@Rynnik](#): > > I’m back playing the game due to this change to Null local! > > Bring on the PvP. pvp was there all along, you didn’t have to leave. What you’re subbing for is risk-free ganktarding which is not pvp, chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6883 "2019-07-12T17:20:36Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Coming from a guy who literally admitted to not knowing how to use zkill. Zkill only shows lossmails. It’s only functional uses are showing other people kills/loss mails and looking at kills/loss mails. It’s not a mythical intel tool like you incorrectly think it is. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I’ve dealt with my problems - my subscription is paused. That’s the literal opposite of dealing with problems. That’s ignoring them til they hopefully go away. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > You misspelled “impossible” again. Nope. Cause I understand that it’s easy to coordinate and kill cloakies. Cause that’s what we do in wormholes. You just suck. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > For ganktards and their zero-risk substitute for skill moves. Ha. Oh yea looting the wrecks of cheap barges and ratting ships is SOOOOO profitable. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > fails so hard at his main occupation it’s hilarious. Really? I’d think only having a dozen or so of my mining ships get popped while mining over my many years of play is quite impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6884 "2019-07-12T17:22:14Z")
Holy ■■■■ that’s fantastic. What show or movie is that from? Edit: ah. Title was cut off in the small forum window. ---
**Author:** ![Rynnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rynnik/32/147940_2.png) [@Rynnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rynnik)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6885 "2019-07-12T17:22:43Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > pvp was there all along, you didn’t have to leave. > > What you’re subbing for is risk-free ganktarding which is not pvp, chicken. Mad? I’m subbing for content. I’m creating content. How is the forum treating you? ---
**Author:** ![plexbichest\_bitchester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plexbichest_bitchester/32/147493_2.png) [@plexbichest\_bitchester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plexbichest_bitchester)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6886 "2019-07-12T17:23:38Z")
You are subbing because it became easier for you. When it gets hard again you will quit taking your “content” with you. You quit once because it was too hard without free handouts. You’ll do it again when it goes there again ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6888 "2019-07-12T17:25:06Z")
> [@plexbichest\_bitchester](#): > > You are subbing because it became easier for you. When it gets hard again you will quit taking your “content” with you. I mean, isn’t that what you guys are doing? It becoming slightly more difficult for you, thus your response is to quit. ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6889 "2019-07-12T17:25:37Z")
OR, and stay with me now, they are resubbing because it’s not boringly easy anymore and the thrill of overcoming a challenge is what many people enjoy in solo and small gang pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6890 "2019-07-12T17:26:20Z")
> [@Rynnik](#): > > I’m subbing for content. ganktarding is not generating any content - risk-averse chicken ganktards only jump when it’s 100% safe to do so. And you even only subbed when it became 100% safe to do so. You blame krabs for not engaging when they can’t win, and you yourself do 1000 times that, making you worse than a krab at generating content. ---
**Author:** ![plexbichest\_bitchester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/plexbichest_bitchester/32/147493_2.png) [@plexbichest\_bitchester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/plexbichest_bitchester)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6891 "2019-07-12T17:27:12Z")
Considering all the people who literally only sub because they have to have CCP nerfing the entire other side of gameplay to let them win? No. PvP is you trying to kill another humans ship, the other human doesn’t want to do that so they do things to prevent it people literally quit over that. And only came back when the game developers handed a gigantic one sided change to make it easier for them to get free kills ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6892 "2019-07-12T17:28:30Z")
> [@Orob\_Ninebands](#): > > Competetive, lol… Yeah, you know, like you weren’t when you fled Dreddit during the Fountain War, only to rejoin later when it was safe again. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > How long would it take you to replace your 2 or 3 titans (if you lost them all) and those supers you have tucked away? That depends entirely on what means I had to replace them with, now wouldn’t it? Ratting and mining in frigates, it’d take a lot longer than if I were doing it with a supercarrier or Rorqual. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > IF it was EVE VS GOONS, wouldn’t it be amazing to see just how well that amazing Super Umbrella would stand up to a full onslaught? You get the rest of EVE organized, we’ll find out. 😉 Remember, last time, NC/PL had a bigger supercap force on their own. And yes, the supers got evacuated, _just like the statement you’re replying to says they should have_. It wasn’t worth risking losing them. Just like it wasn’t worth NC/PL risking theirs last month when we put a thousand titans on their doorstep. Or last year, when the X-47 timers were about as close to an even supercapital fight as you’re ever going to see in EVE. But actually committing to those was ‘just all talk’, right? ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6893 "2019-07-12T17:28:40Z")
Except they will work. No local goes both ways. The hunters cant probe and with no local that means force recons can sit just off grid and cloakies can sit on grid. They also have a harder time spotting bait without extra legwork on top of having a much harder time keeping track of defense fleets. Your just too aggressively dumb to listen me tell you all the effective ways to deal with them. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6894 "2019-07-12T17:29:09Z")
> [@plexbichest\_bitchester](#): > > only came back when the game developers handed a gigantic one sided change to make it easier for them to get free kills Going to have to correct you, but you know Local was used by both sides right? This change hit both sides equally, forcing the hunter to actually check belts, to launch probes, and so forth and so forth to find you… ---
**Author:** ![Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glornak_ironspawn/32/200497_2.png) [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glornak_Ironspawn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6895 "2019-07-12T17:31:11Z")
Can’t launch probes or you spook your prey. ---
**Author:** ![Stef\_Darklighter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stef_darklighter/32/196390_2.png) [@Stef\_Darklighter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stef_Darklighter)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6896 "2019-07-12T17:31:19Z")
> [@Maria\_Dragoon](#): > > Going to have to correct you, but you know Local was used by both sides right? This change hit both sides equally, forcing the hunter to actually check belts, to launch probes, and so forth and so forth to find you… Be careful now, using that sort of common-sense logic might be beyond the abilities of those afflicted by late-stage Spod-Brain. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6897 "2019-07-12T17:31:26Z")
> [@Glornak\_Ironspawn](#): > > effective ways Ok, tell me. You have 3 recons sitting cloaked as a super effective way to deal with anything. Actually, 4, but one is asleep after 5 hours of incredibly fun gameplay of watching a barge. cyno lights up, 10-150 bombers bombers appear, your barge is instapopped, your recons are still cloaked. Answer seriously for once: How would you deal with it? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6898 "2019-07-12T17:33:12Z")
> [@Maria\_Dragoon](#): > > This change hit both sides equally This change does not hit, it is a teeter-totter, it lands one side into the mud and propels the other into risk-free skill-free effort-free kills. And then one side falls, wonder what happens to the other… ---
**Author:** ![Liandri\_Acami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liandri_acami/32/147869_2.png) [@Liandri\_Acami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liandri_Acami)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6899 "2019-07-12T17:33:30Z")
You accept that by mining in 0.0 there are threats and risks the the mining barge you’re flying. Knowing your options are to find a way to defend yourself by having a fleet, accepting an amount of loss or going back to high sec where you can see the ganks coming. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6900 "2019-07-12T17:34:02Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > 10-150 bombers bombers appear when the logistical of the otherside surpasses 15 bombers, the other side has declared unofficial war upon you good sir. I suggest you mount a defense and proactively return fire. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Spirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/machine_spirit/32/147936_2.png) [@Machine\_Spirit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Machine_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/6901 "2019-07-12T17:34:11Z")
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