# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 424
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8589 "2019-07-14T21:07:53Z")
I mean those changes have been proposed since shortly after cloaking was introduced and that was years ago… It won’t change, so it shifts the meta, and makes it again easier to get kills than it is to rat… ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8590 "2019-07-14T21:08:11Z")
Yes, Esmerelda, some of us actually _can_ walk and chew gum at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8591 "2019-07-14T21:08:59Z")
Mmmmmm sad you can’t count yourself among them isn’t it…? 😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Iminent\_Penance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iminent_penance/32/145791_2.png) [@Iminent\_Penance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iminent_Penance)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8592 "2019-07-14T21:09:09Z")
To be clear. cloaking, camping cloaked, both are fine. Afk for 12+ hours is… unreal, especially when used to lower someone’s guard to gank 5 seconds after being not afk. And no. “Stay alert for 12 hours because you dont know” is a justification for the cloakies to stay “safe” which is lame ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8593 "2019-07-14T21:09:22Z")
The fact that you want to balance things based on how long people have been playing is the issue, why in the world would you prefer artificially locking content further down the line of time engagement instead of just like… making it require more coordination and skill? This is the watered down classic MMO syndrome I was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8594 "2019-07-14T21:10:05Z")
Oh dear, it’s the emoji spam that always happens when someone is having a tantrum but wants to pretend like they’re not. It’s okay, I’ll stop picking on you until you calm down bb. ---
**Author:** ![Ravon\_Onacis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravon_onacis/32/147491_2.png) [@Ravon\_Onacis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravon_Onacis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8595 "2019-07-14T21:10:09Z")
Easy fix would make cloaking devises use LO or put on a timer. Sure this will cause some Spurg. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8596 "2019-07-14T21:10:33Z")
lol you act like we’re entitled, and yet you are literally standing in the face of the entire premise of the game with skill points that take real time… also while conveniently ignoring my posts about resource relocation… ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8597 "2019-07-14T21:10:37Z")
Remove the ability to tackle from ships lighting a cyno ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8598 "2019-07-14T21:11:20Z")
lol I’m sure you’ll keep posting (really trying poorly to troll) while you sit in station 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8599 "2019-07-14T21:12:02Z")
What? I’m saying that the resources take time to gather, and you’re suggesting increasing that timeframe as an alternative to just making them more difficult to acquire. Either way we have the same end-goal, but your solution is artificially inflating the timesink instead of opening new opportunities for creative gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Liandri\_Acami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liandri_acami/32/147869_2.png) [@Liandri\_Acami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liandri_Acami)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8600 "2019-07-14T21:12:30Z")
I have no issue with cloaking. I dont have an issue with cloaky camping. I have an issue with AFK gameplay. The game permits them to stay in space afk for 12 hours with no means of counter. Which I think should be something null players have access to. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8601 "2019-07-14T21:12:58Z")
how long have you played this game? I’m guessing after the fountain war, because if you understood what precipitated that, you’d know resource relocation is the only thing that sparks meaningful change in the game…both in terms of isk lost and isk generated… ---
**Author:** ![cpu939](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpu939/32/250881_2.png) [@cpu939](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cpu939)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8602 "2019-07-14T21:18:27Z")
I’ve been enjoying the black out i do think there is still far to much free intel that ccp should remove. More so the free information of people in space npc kills jumps and so on. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8603 "2019-07-14T21:18:47Z")
> [@Aetran\_Molou](#): > > It’s because people are flagging them as off-topic, myself included. This is not the thread to discuss “legal” issues you have no knowledge in. Go take that to the relevant threads. Stop abusing the Flag system on posts that conform to Forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8604 "2019-07-14T21:21:37Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Stop abusing the Flag system on posts I was flagging them as spam because he was spamming that one same wall-of-text post over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8605 "2019-07-14T21:21:50Z")
Got to wonder how many player actually understand how ship modules work and know of in game tools like dscan? Seems many don’t. The whole **“the needs to be a counter for cloaked ships”** , clearly show people don’t use cloak ships other than Blockade Runners. Anyone that’s used other cloaked ship types knows they have to be careful, as activating any module or launching a drone or probe requires decloaking. So anyone that says the Blackout gives cloaked ships an advantage is correct, but only if they **stay cloaked**. Everyone gains from the blackout, except bots and multibox players. With blackout everyone becomes harder to locate, no one knows your there, until you post in local, deploy drones or probes, or within 14au of you and dscaning. Once detected/ing _(depending on what you’re doing)_ you have things you xan/have to do; **Hunter:** you have to probe location of target or cyro fleet in. **Hunted:** you have pull drones and warp to dock, or call in defense fleet. Or become bait for your own hunter fleet to pull hunter/s into a trap. If seems many fail to think beyond what they have become so use too. And this new change is forcing them to think… ---
**Author:** ![Aetran\_Molou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetran_molou/32/278496_2.png) [@Aetran\_Molou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetran_Molou)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8606 "2019-07-14T21:22:08Z")
They were also off-topic legal threats lol… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8607 "2019-07-14T21:23:11Z")
Because you and a few others keep trying to hide it with flagging. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion as long as it conforms to forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/esmerelda_virpio/32/146459_2.png) [@Esmerelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Esmerelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8608 "2019-07-14T21:23:27Z")
except you don’t have to scan down anoms or belts, and even if it’s a site you can do that right after downtime and pop in, or any random time and wait hours sitting there cloaked so they don’t know if you’ve left or your still sitting in system… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=423) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935.md?page=425)