# Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935>\
**Category:** Announcements\
**Tags:** feedback, official\
**Created:** [July 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935 "2019-07-05T16:28:05Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Dan\_Sever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dan_sever/32/250246_2.png) [@Dan\_Sever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dan_Sever)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8669 "2019-07-14T23:58:07Z")

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Well that’s the thing, they need to somehow make it harder for big alliances to exist, eventually breaking them up into smaller entities, before introducing such changes imo. How to do it is another topic. It’s their job to figure this out.

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**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8670 "2019-07-15T00:06:22Z")

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But this is something completely out of this world… up to be a nonsense… nowhere there is something a bunch of individuals can do better than a large organized groups

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8671 "2019-07-15T00:19:05Z")

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Well, lemme ask you another, related question:

Can you think of a single thing in all of history that larger, more organized groups of people haven’t been able to adapt to and exploit better than smaller, disorganized groups or individuals?

Because, see… you’re literally asking CCP to invent a solution that _human history_ has not come up with yet.

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**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8672 "2019-07-15T00:22:58Z")

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Not only Humans’s one

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**Author:** ![Ni\_Neith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ni_neith/32/182183_2.png) [@Ni\_Neith](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ni_Neith)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8673 "2019-07-15T00:24:14Z")

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here is one: good fights.

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**Author:** ![Dajat\_Lemmont](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dajat_lemmont/32/384878_2.png) [@Dajat\_Lemmont](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dajat_Lemmont)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8674 "2019-07-15T00:24:23Z")

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If you relied on local for your safety, LS has Lots of uninhabited systems. Maybe a move is in order? The Moons are good there too. Ratting is decent there. Bringing more PvP to LS will drive up the price of Clone Soldier Tags (already good isk), Bots wont be able to use Null-Local effectively in their code equaling the death of their Null profitability. Owning a structure should be a commitment and uncommon. Null was designed to be “Lawless”. Before the Blackout, it was down right Sleepy. High end isk, was always supposed to be high risk.  
This IS EvE. Embrace the Blackout.

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8675 "2019-07-15T00:33:03Z")

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By what measure? You mean small engagements that are kinetic and adrenaline-inducing? Because we get those all the time. The big orgs are better equipped to find and create those, because we can have six, ten, a dozen groups of 50 guys out there looking all over for them, if we want.

That’s the thing: big groups _can act like small groups_. They can act like multiple small groups, simultaneously. And often do. Here’s a partial list of groups within the Imperium who often go after ‘good fights’—and more often than not, get them:

Asshole Squad  
BlackOps  
BomberWaffe (Boat takes them roaming sometimes)  
NGSA (Same)  
Insurgent Squad  
Liberty Squad  
The Ministry of Love (more often, they go ganking, but they _do_ do fleets, too)  
~~Reavers~~ Sorry, they don’t exist.  
Theta Squad  
Space Violence  
Whalers  
Welp Squad

And literally every skirmish commander we have. We usually send out (without looking at SIGs and Squads) a dozen small roams out a day, not including stratops.

So, wanna try that again?

The problem you’re going to run into is, if an individual can do it, an individual can do it _while a member of a big group_. If a small group can do it, a small group can do it _while part of a bigger group_.

What’s more, the big group can have lots of small groups looking for different ways to do it, so as to find the _best_ way.

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**Author:** ![Aurora\_Layne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_layne/32/148516_2.png) [@Aurora\_Layne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Layne)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8676 "2019-07-15T00:43:25Z")

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Quit screwing around, put it back!

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**Author:** ![Killajoules](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/killajoules/32/407553_2.png) [@Killajoules](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Killajoules)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8677 "2019-07-15T00:57:45Z")

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resubbed both my accounts for this. A bit busy RL atm but I hope this becomes permanent or at least common so I can get in on the action!

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**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8678 "2019-07-15T00:57:57Z")

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**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8679 "2019-07-15T01:04:23Z")

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> [@Iowa\_Banshee](#):
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> Yeah Yeah… we get it, EvE is still dying

A drop more massive than most family holidays is hardly a thing to ignore.

> [@Iowa\_Banshee](#):
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> Now go look at the period average per year, come back next January and tell me how the year went.

If blackout continues, it’s really not hard to tell.

> [@Iowa\_Banshee](#):
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> ALSO … Did you notice that the daily totals on even days is an odd number but odd days have and even number… It’s the Illuminati… I tell you … It’s a numerological conspiracy. It may be worse than that … the Shadow Global Government have control of CCP through a Korean proxy.

You give him numbers extracted from data, he goes full tinfoil hat. Is your ganktard brain already melting?

> [@Iowa\_Banshee](#):
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> Of course i could be that S\*\*t like this happens when you change something in a game.

And it drops online harder than almost anything that happened in the last 12 years, it must be a great change then (sarcasm).

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**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8681 "2019-07-15T01:14:04Z")

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> [@Arrendis](#):
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> Can you think of a single thing in all of history that larger, more organized groups of people haven’t been able to adapt to and exploit better than smaller, disorganized groups or individuals?

Natural disasters. Two examples come to mind:  
1 Tunguska event. A meteor exploded over a remote area of Siberia, leveled 2000 square kilometers and caused 0 casualties. Now imagine that over a “larger, more organized group” like NY or LA.  
2 The Great Chilean Earthquake. The worst (most powerful) earthquake in recorded times caused \<6000 casualties (mostly due to the Tsunamis generated). Now imagine this in a dense populated region.

I hate making RL comparisons to games. 😑

There ARE things that CCP could do that will certainly have greater impact on larger groups, than on smaller ones. Deleting Supercapitals for example. An extreme change that would certainly impact large NS groups the most. I can think of other ones too.

The real questions are just what CCP intentions are, and what are they willing/prepared to do to achieve them?

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8682 "2019-07-15T01:22:03Z")

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I run twenty VNIs. Explain to me how I am supposed to continuously d-scan on all twenty accounts? I can’t be at my computer 24/7!!!

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**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8683 "2019-07-15T01:22:53Z")

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Are you serious?  
Are you really saing that a natural disaster that happen in a few populated area (lets say… 100 individual = 100 Deaths or use any number u want) and cause 100% of deaths = extinction, is better than if it happen in a 1 mil populated zone with 500000 deaths = 50% survives… specie is safe?

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8685 "2019-07-15T01:23:46Z")

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Don’t tell me how to play my game!!!

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**Author:** ![Ophelia\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ophelia_dallocort/32/138260_2.png) [@Ophelia\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ophelia_Dallocort)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8686 "2019-07-15T01:24:56Z")

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Sorry; I’m sure your VNIs are lovely… i wish you luck

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**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8687 "2019-07-15T01:25:12Z")

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No. I merely answered the question posed.

> [@Wanda\_Fayne](#):
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> I hate making RL comparisons to games. 😑

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**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8688 "2019-07-15T01:27:03Z")

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but actually u did, and anyway with a wrong answer… yes the most populated survives in any case.

EDIT.  
Back to game, yes, the larger group will get rid of any incoming changes way better than the smaller oes…in any case

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**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8689 "2019-07-15T01:40:54Z")

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> [@Wanda\_Fayne](#):
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> Natural disasters. Two examples come to mind:  
> 1 Tunguska event. A meteor exploded over a remote area of Siberia, leveled 2000 square kilometers and caused 0 casualties. Now imagine that over a “larger, more organized group” like NY or LA.  
> 2 The Great Chilean Earthquake. The worst (most powerful) earthquake in recorded times caused \<6000 casualties (mostly due to the Tsunamis generated). Now imagine this in a dense populated region.

1. There was nobody there to deal with Tunguska. It wasn’t a thing people had to adapt to _or_ exploit. The reason I make that distinction is that at the 1908 level of technology, no group would have been able to stop it. Doesn’t matter if you’re talking about an individual or a large group, so the issue there becomes survival and recovery. Larger groups, just by virtue of being bigger, would have a statistically greater chance of 1+ survivors than say… 1 person. Or, for that matter, 0 people.
2. Let’s keep in mind the second part: ‘more organized’. More organized groups handle natural disasters better. Yes, absolute #s of casualties might be higher, but preparation will be better. Emergency response plans will be better. Overall, the larger, more organized society _will_ handle the situation better. In 1960, Chile had a population of 7 million. There were 6,000 casualties, mostly from tsunami. The same tsunamis that killed nearly 1 person in 1000 in Chile hit Hawaii, as well. Hawaii, at the time, was already US State, part of a larger, more organized society. 61 people out of the population of 600,000 died. 1 person in 10,000.

Wanna keep trying?

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**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/8690 "2019-07-15T01:48:15Z")

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There is never a good fight, or a fair fight.

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