# Loot Bots at Jita IV-4 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 11, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517 "2022-09-11T17:13:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/45 "2022-09-12T19:09:36Z")
There is also a chance that this gets gamed off by throwaway middle-man alt who loots it and then eject it… In Jita anyway. It is tough. Players will always come up with a way to defeat the system. Also the timer you get from someone shooting you is way longer than 15 seconds, so once someone shoot you after you took yellow loot, you will have to warp around safespots for 15 minutes which is nonsense. So relying on an existing capsuleer log-out timer is nonsense. A new timer would have to be created and this timer would be acquired by picking up something from a yellow cargo. It won’t solve everything as it just changes meta, but it largely increases the opportunities and number of ways how to interact with anyone looting a victim of a gank. It should not prevent jumping a gate though imo. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/46 "2022-09-12T20:02:53Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Also the timer you get from someone shooting you is way longer than 15 seconds, so once someone shoot you after you took yellow loot, you will have to warp around safespots for 15 minutes which is nonsense. I mean, you can still dock with a log off or suspect timer. And cloak. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/47 "2022-09-12T20:11:20Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > You might describe the process more deeply as for example I don’t know where should I report a bot. > **[Reporting suspected bot users](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000249125-Reporting-suspected-bot-users)** > > Follow these 3 steps to report a bot suspect in-game: > > Open the Character Information Window > Select the Report Bot entry from the Actions Menu > Confirm the submission of the report > > Steps with illu... ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/48 "2022-09-12T20:15:29Z")
My reply was directed at a hypothetical situation where @Kezrai_Charzai proposed that you wouldn’t be able to dock with logout timer. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/49 "2022-09-12T21:38:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Unsurprising. They were affecting gankers and gankers have mates in null groups with CCPs ear, that’s why ganking is so ludicrously easy yet evades any form of balancing. Try to get a russian ice mining bot fleet banned or a gankers using input broadcasting though, it’ll never happen. ROFL, this is the weirdest take I’ve seen. > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Especially like a Praxis which has a native cargo space of 1,200 m³, omni resists, doesn’t even require bs skills (or any other skill besides spaceship command I at L1) to fly and can put a big load of shield extenders along with omni resist modules on it so even if you fully cargo expand it can still have a considerable tank without having to risk going into armor let alone hull. You can actually make the praxis into a tough little hi sec hauler nugget. You can dbl tank it and it gets a bit nuts. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Okay so let’s juice it up a little. Suspect flag triggers a 10-second “security scan” from a station. I kinda would be for this although it would kill staton suspect baiting LOL. Which I’m kinda ok with. If you’re gonna suspect bait, commit to it. > [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > If they are paid accounts, CCP doesn’t care if you bot or input-broadcast. > > see: Kusion. Yennoe your boy Drac praises Kusion on the reg. You guys need to get better notes and such 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/50 "2022-09-16T19:04:49Z")
Maybe the real gankers are those who come along every now and then, splash several ships and then scoop the loot. The real question is, where else does the same script appear in game? Obscure gankers mass attacking large mining fleets who then go into hiding for a week or two? Is this input broadcasting? A player has ten computers that can all run Eve Online perfectly, that are set on the lowest CPU graphics setting possible. Each computer is located in a separate location, a garage, the basement of a relative, an abandoned building, etc. All of the computers are tied into the host’s computer that is set up in a normal environment. The player then enters the single keystroke that launches a fleet of ganking ships that the goes about their business of ganking. The central host or ganker though, would never be more than a block away from their other computers which could be connected to the host ganker using an extremely powerful Wifi signal instead of using LAN line. In the scheme of the ISK farmer, I think the above is more than likely, especially once the ISK farmer bot begins to bring in fast cash from the illegal sale of ISK. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/51 "2022-09-16T19:10:36Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I kinda would be for this although it would kill staton suspect baiting LOL. > > Which I’m kinda ok with. If you’re gonna suspect bait, commit to it. dude suspect baiting give you if i remember well a 8 minutes suspect tag were everyone can shot you 10 seconds you cant dock is nothing if you agro you get a large timer you cant dock this will not affect suspect bathers at all maybe i didn’t understand the proposed system well btw yesterday i sat at jita undock for 2 periods (total 30 minutes edited) blinking yelow and no one shot me ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/52 "2022-09-16T19:33:51Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > dude suspect baiting give you if i remember well a 8 minutes suspect tag 15 minutes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/53 "2022-09-16T19:35:24Z")
You can test how fast a player is able to transfer cargo very easily. 1.Open up your own cargo hold. 2.Drop a jet can with loot. 3.Open the cargo window of the jet can. 4.Position the jet can cargo window slightly to the right of the center of your monitor’s screen 5.Destroy something close by, then select ‘Look at’ wreck to center the wreck in the center of your monitor. 6.Open cargo hold of the destroyed can or ship and then immediately click Loot. Since the cargo can windows stay in their position that you place them on the monitor, you should be able to get loot within 2 seconds, if you are sitting on the ship or can when you destroy it. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/54 "2022-09-16T19:35:48Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > 15 minutes. 😉 lol my brain i did it 10 times this week and cant even remember the timer NURSE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/55 "2022-09-16T19:48:03Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > dude suspect baiting give you if i remember well a 8 minutes suspect tag were everyone can shot you People like to do the bait and switch by docking once they get the combat timer and coming out with a wtfpwn ship. Which I get, but I’m also ok with losing as I personally just commit when I suspect bait because half the fun is seeing if you can kill the guy with a ship not meant for that usually. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/56 "2022-09-16T19:49:03Z")
i usually don’t change ships because I’m poor long ago a great pilot taught me the ways , he used to change to a glorious bhaalgorn i adapted my style to a dollar store version 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/57 "2022-09-22T12:16:34Z")
So while Furies have been banned (although I seen one Furie character with gnosis for a while on Jita dock about week ago), there are now new bots. Just seen wreck being looted before it even appeared on my overview. I reported that guy last week already, and still nothing. How hard is it to check the time difference between ship being blown and loot being taken and between loot being taken and docking to figure out it is not humanly possible? ---
**Author:** ![MacGybo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgybo/32/409494_2.png) [@MacGybo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGybo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/58 "2022-09-22T12:50:55Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > there are now new bots. A couple of things. There are some characters, like the Furies, who appeared to be fully automated. Their whole presence was scripted to the point that the pilot didn’t even check what he’d looted for a few days. I know this because he accidentally looted from a friend and it took him a few days to respond and return the loot. When he responded, he advised his friend that he’d updated his scripts to effectively white-list him to prevent it happening again. I would call that character a ‘bot’. They received a ban on Monday of last week. Then there are some characters who are there, kind of present, but using automation software or scripts to loot faster than non-automated players. Players like Kurenai Uchiha aka MajinVegito, Ahori Igunen etc. They remain unbanned, unchallenged. A couple of new characters have turned up and they’re definitely loot thieves. It’s maybe too early to say for sure if they’re automated. If they’re the latter (ie using scripts but not fully automated) then it’s likely that they’ll be able to continue for as long as they like. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/59 "2022-12-12T16:45:13Z")
So I watched your new video: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/0/a/60ab7eebf49eca6a28109e495765cc5a452be9ca.jpeg "Eve Online : The Jita-Bot Ganker. What Happened Next...") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cd3nGXp8uo) @CCP_Swift I know you can’t speak to this specific incident, but this is the sort of stuff that does not build community trust: reimbursement on the grounds a player was a victim of botting, yet reinstating the alleged botter. I’m not sure I’ll get an answer from CCP, so @Brisc_Rubal can the CSM clarify whether: can players use scripted aids to loot ninja at Jita in under a server tick _while_ also determining if the wreck is above a 10 mil threshold? There’s no harm done because to the playerbase and effective gameplay it’ll just look like the status quo of today: the difference is the activity will be more open to everyday people, and the whole thing will be “decriminalized” and hence more easily observable in the light by the community. Whoever has the machine at the closest colo with the most heavily optimized assembly code, wins, which seems to be the status quo of today. Except a “yes” lets more people participate. If the answer is “no” then I guess it’s only people who truly want to flirt with gameplay at the edges of the EULA/TOS who get to participate in the activity. ---
**Author:** ![MacGybo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgybo/32/409494_2.png) [@MacGybo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGybo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/60 "2022-12-12T16:56:15Z")
I’m just gonna leave this here: > [@Jita, Gankers and Automation](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/43): > > Nah, he probably made a fake video of him not using software and sent it in. Honestly CCP is pretty piss poor when it comes to banning ACTUAL cheaters. It’s amazing that I can get mass reported and almost immediately banned with no evidence but when we have PILES of evidence CCP doesn’t do ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/61 "2022-12-12T17:01:13Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I’m not sure I’ll get an answer from CCP, so @Brisc_Rubal can the CSM clarify whether: can players use scripted aids to loot ninja at Jita in under a server tick _while_ also determining if the wreck is above a 10 mil threshold? There’s no harm done because to the playerbase and effective gameplay it’ll just look like the status quo of today: the difference is the activity will be more open to everyday people, and the whole thing will be “decriminalized” and hence more easily observable in the light by the community. Whoever has the machine at the closest colo with the most heavily optimized assembly code, wins, which seems to be the status quo of today. Except a “yes” lets more people participate. My understanding is that any kind of scripted macro-style behavior is prohibited. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/62 "2022-12-12T17:44:12Z")
I was unclear, sorry. I am under the same impression as you. Can you please ask CCP to lift it for this narrow case, so others can join in on the gameplay without flirting with the “don’t get EULA/TOS banned” metagame? That’s what I intended to ask of you. I know it seems like a stupid request, but then again the status quo is also stupid. We have a ganker player here who managed to get real people to undock and try loot thieving; they aren’t really going to be sticking around though because of the present situation. Imagine if even one of them had managed to thief even one cool thing over 10M value, the player stories coming out of that event would have been cool to hear. Instead we get… well, one less way to retain humans. ---
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/63 "2022-12-12T19:43:14Z")
Thank you @MacGybo for the update video! I hope you get enough views and such to pay back the effort you put in to making it! The new video sure does open up some questions. It sounds like from an organizational perspective, the left hand and the right are doing different things. One side is saying that there is insufficient data to show that script/macro/botting is occurring, and the other is saying that it was happening and reimbursing losses due to said unfair, rule/TS breaking actions. Would love to get some clarification on CCP on what the true response should be. This sort of ambiguity causes a lot of problems. I noted it in the mega-thread when the TOS was updated and the Team Security member was answering questions, but the ambiguous “we know it when we see it” sort of answer that was given to me exemplifies my main concern – and now we have a real world example (95%+ of this stuff or the “”“fringe cases”“” aren’t brought up to the larger playerbase’s attention). For reference: Continuing the discussion from [Team Security: Rules and Policy Clarifications](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/team-security-rules-and-policy-clarifications/385417/43): ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517/64 "2022-12-12T20:28:29Z")
I absolutely understand your frustration, I wanted to quit because of this ■■■■ as well - it seems more and more obvious that cheating is allowed. CCP cannot detect macros, especially if you are present at keyboard and simply activate them. Also 3day ban for botting? 🤣 To be honest, I saw some changes in Ivicek behavior after he was unbanned. His tornados weren’t shooting at the same tick anymore, or at least sometimes when I watched, and he was not doing with LaBooster the things he was doing before - he no longer salvages and loots blue wrecks of random ships killed when his tornadoes aren’t on the grid. And I even saw recently his tornado to be killed by antiganker. He was even once ganking with (one) thrasher smaller ships - which brings the question, why was he ganking with single account when he has 4 who can normally shoot at the same time? I feel like macro usage is only getting more frequent, largely because CCP inaction towards obvious macro or even bot users. We have new ganker at Jita using 6 tornadoes, but he only shoots multibillion DSTs so I never noticed him taking the shot to see the timings, but something tells me it will be instantaneous, otherwise the DST would dock right? Also other gankers are looting super fast, but given your video showing the setup, I can no longer come to conclusion they are using macros. Maybe they are there crushing LMB for hour manually… And the macro-abuser in Ahbazon is still pressing 28 bombs at 4 different clients within 2 second interval without failing a single bomb… Honestly, this all with the recent nerfs to ganking, kinda feels like EVE is a sinking ship… It is disgusting… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/loot-bots-at-jita-iv-4/376517.md?page=4)