# Low sec should be like null but no territorial claims **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 28, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204 "2020-01-28T14:29:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Alt\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alt_toralen/32/175038_2.png) [@Alt\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alt_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/1 "2020-01-28T14:29:43Z")
By this I mean…you should get no sec status hit for killing players & no territorial claims. Everything else would be the same. ---
**Author:** ![Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/equinoxx_dethahal/32/179145_2.png) [@Equinoxx\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Equinoxx_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/2 "2020-01-28T14:34:14Z")
Really? Though low sec was suppose to be a pvp theme park of little activites meant for small group and solo players…not the mega fleet bull sec stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/3 "2020-01-28T14:38:09Z")
No thanks. LS should be a stepping stone from HS to NS…Harder rats/missions and a free-fire environment. The penalties to your sec status are already reduced there so… ---
**Author:** ![Alt\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alt_toralen/32/175038_2.png) [@Alt\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alt_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/4 "2020-01-28T14:38:19Z")
Correct…all that would change is not receiveing a sec status hit. Small gangs & solo would still apply. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/5 "2020-01-28T14:40:19Z")
No terrible idea, sec status is part of what makes it a transition area. -1 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/6 "2020-01-28T14:44:18Z")
You have to keep the sec status penalties - they are a very important part of what happens with the gate guns. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/7 "2020-01-28T14:46:07Z")
LS needs a lot of TLC such as better ores (and HS’s decreased), better ratting, better missions, etc. The incentive to head to LS needs to be increased and the reasons to make HS home decreased. ---
**Author:** ![Alt\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alt_toralen/32/175038_2.png) [@Alt\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alt_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/8 "2020-01-28T14:46:42Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > You have to keep the sec status penalties - they are a very important part of what happens with the gate guns. Get rid of them. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/9 "2020-01-28T14:48:22Z")
> [@Alt\_Toralen](#): > > Get rid of them. Becasue everyone loves gate campers so much… 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/10 "2020-01-28T14:48:23Z")
So . . . you want to make this change. Why would this change be beneficial? ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/11 "2020-01-28T14:51:42Z")
No the transition of no Concord but still no bubbles is a very healthy difference imo. I would like a ban on supercarriers and titans there though as distinguishing it more from 0 sec. ---
**Author:** ![Alt\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alt_toralen/32/175038_2.png) [@Alt\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alt_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/12 "2020-01-28T15:08:52Z")
All the mechanics of LS would remain the same - no bubbles, no carriers, titans etc…except no gate and station guns and no sec status hits. Everythinf else status quo ---
**Author:** ![Alt\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alt_toralen/32/175038_2.png) [@Alt\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alt_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/13 "2020-01-28T15:10:25Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Becasue everyone loves gate campers so much Players gate camp and gank in 1.0…so really nothing new ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/14 "2020-01-28T15:17:02Z")
So… you want a penalty-free NPC space with all the NPC benefits and no downsides for you to gatecamp in? Very laughing. Such no. Many never. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/15 "2020-01-28T15:17:04Z")
> [@Alt\_Toralen](#): > > Players gate camp and gank in 1.0…so really nothing new You are talking about two different things…so no. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/16 "2020-01-28T15:48:24Z")
With no sec status penalty, how else will you become a pirate? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/17 "2020-01-28T15:54:23Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > how else will you become a pirate? CCP starts to sell parrots and eye-patches in the store? Yarr 🏴‍☠️ ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/18 "2020-01-28T15:55:27Z")
Pro-tip… it’s called NPC null. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/19 "2020-01-28T15:58:01Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > CCP starts to sell parrots and eye-patches in the store? Eye Patches cost MORE THAN A MONOCLE! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204/20 "2020-01-28T16:02:56Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > CCP starts to sell parrots and eye-patches in the store? Ccp should include items in game that LOWER your sec status, not just raise it. And its giftable to other players. And if it is gifted, it is automatically applied. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/low-sec-should-be-like-null-but-no-territorial-claims/214204.md?page=2)